The Accelerating DB Endgame

Online in Zoom

Tuesday 6th December 2022

13:30 – 17:50 GMT

Sponsored by

Challenges & Opportunities for DB Pension Schemes
in the New Environment

Almost exactly a year ago, we staged a Masterclass entitled “Endgame, Middlegame or Long Game”, exploring the fact that there were multiple journeys of different lengths that DB plans could implement to meet their pension promises to members. A year later, many of those journeys have narrowed and shortened, especially for corporate DB plans. A rising rate environment, even before the Trussonomics debacle, has been beneficial for funding levels. This has now accelerated further, combined with the far less benign liquidity crunch and the forced sale of both gilts and risk assets resulting from the LDI crisis. Meantime, the DWP consultation on DB funding rules has just closed, such that a focus on how the endgame looks now could not be more timely. 

At the Masterclass, expert practitioners and their key advisers, representing DB schemes of all types – closed and open, in house and externally managed – will discuss and compare notes on how they are approaching the endgame in the new environment, the new challenges and opportunities they have identified, the actions they are taking, and the expected outcomes. As usual, the debate will be highly candid and interactive, with delegates encouraged to engage proactively throughout. 

Chair

Sally Bridgeland

Chair
Local Pensions Partnership Investments Ltd

Agenda
Devil's Advocates

Claire McCormick, Pensions Trustee, Yorkshire & Clydesdale Bank DB Scheme
Sofia Perkonigg, Trustee Director, UBS Pension Scheme
Margaret de Valois, Senior Consultant, Stoneport Pensions

A panel of Devil’s Advocates will be on duty for the course of the afternoon.
They will be available to pose challenging questions to any of the conference speakers when invited to do so by the Moderator of each session. They will provide an end of day summary of the main learning and action points from the conference.

13.30 13.50
Meet & Greet
13.55 14.05
Opening Remarks

Programme Director:
Stephen Glover
Director
SG Pensions Enterprise

14.05 14.20
Introduction from the Chair

Masterclass Chair:
Sally Bridgeland
Chair
Local Pensions Partnership Investments

Sally Bridgeland will discuss how the environment has changed for DB schemes in light of rising inflation and rates, the cost-of-living crisis, monetary tightening and the LDI market turmoil. 

She will identify some of the challenges ahead and how we will address them during the Masterclass. 

14.20 – 15.05
Sponsored Panel Discussion:
The Endgame Options & How They Are Changing

Moderator:
Sally Bridgeland
Masterclass Chair

Iain Brown
Head of UK FM Strategic Clients
Kempen Capital Management

Lara Desay
Partner
Hymans Robertson

Chris Hogg
Chief Executive Officer
National Grid UK Pension Scheme Trustees

Russell Lee
Head of Insurance Solutions
M&G Investments

Adam Saron
Founder
Clara Pensions

Speakers representing a leading DB pension scheme, an Insurer, a Master Trust, a Superfund and a Pensions Consultant, will explore the different approaches to delivering DB benefits guarantees. They will discuss the decisions required of trustees to arrive at the best endgame solution for their scheme, the investment choices involved in the various approaches, and not least, the limited capacity for risk-transfer outcomes, even for well-funded schemes, in the face of capital constraints.

The session will be highly interactive and informative for DB scheme executives weighing up the options facing them. 

15.05 – 15.30
Sponsored Presentation: The Changing Journey to the Endgame and the Case for FM & Outsourced CIO

Simon Partridge
Head of Fiduciary Management Solutions
Russell Investments

Our speaker will explore the implications for DB schemes of rising rates and recent market events, especially whether we need to think differently about hedging strategies and liability risk in response to the recent LDI crisis. 

He will proceed to examine the case for Fiduciary Management and outsourcing the CIO and the investment team, which have become increasingly popular choices for DB schemes seeking to maximise operational and investment efficiencies and manage the war for talent in their overall governance strategy.

He will discuss the nature of FM/OCIO approaches, how well they have stood up recently, what changes they may need to adapt, and the prospects for their continuing or indeed wider use among DB schemes as the DB market matures. 

15.30 – 15.50
Coffee at Home & Online Networking
15.50 – 16.35
Panel Discussion:
The Outlook for DB Funding Policy & Regulation

Moderator:
Henry Tapper
Executive Chair
AgeWage

Sharon Bowles
Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted
House of Lords

David Fairs
Executive Director
Regulatory Policy, Analysis & Advice
The Pensions Regulator

Fiona Frobisher
Deputy Director of DB Scheme Policy
Department for Work & Pensions

Kerrin Rosenberg
Chief Executive Officer
Cardano Investment

The DWP consultation on DB funding rules has recently closed.  How are policymakers and regulators responding to the recent turmoil in the financial markets?  Are there lessons learned which are likely to affect the nature of DB funding in the future, and in what ways? 

Representatives from the DWP, TPR and a leading consultant will debate these vital issues with delegates.

The session will be highly interactive and informative for DB scheme executives weighing up the options facing them. 

16.35 – 16.40
Introduction to Discussion Groups
16.40 – 17.20
Expert Discussion Groups
Group 1: Challenges & Opportunities for the In-House DB Model
(Schemes with in house investment resources, both FCA and non-FCA regulated, and including LGPS pool operators)

Facilitator: 
Ian McKinlay
Expert Pensions CIO

Lead Discussants: 
Mike Clark
Founder Director
Ario Advisory


Mark Hedges
Trustee Director
Nationwide Pension Scheme

Chris Hogg
Chief Executive Officer
National Grid UK Pension
Scheme Trustees

John Raisin
Director
John Raisin Financial Scheme

Group 2: Challenges & Opportunities for the Outsourced DB Model
(Schemes without internal investment resources, including LGPS pool participants, with trustees relying on FM, outsourced CIO and other investment advice to implement their strategy)

Facilitator:
Tegs Harding
Director
Independent Trustee Services

Lead Discussants:
Terry Alleyne
Trustee Director
Citi UK Pensions


Joanne Donnelly
Board Secretary
LGPS Advisory Board

Andrew Krousti
Head of Pensions
Capgemini

Charlotte O’Leary
Chief Executive Officer
Pensions for Purpose

Themes for both discussions:

  • The current governance model to implement investment and hedging strategies. Will this change?
  • How best to work with the Sponsor on the journey given recently improved funding positions
  • Opportunities and governance lessons for LGPS funds and pools from private sector DB de-risking
  • Challenges to ESG strategies from the sale of illiquid assets
  • Consequences of the hit to LDI managers’ P&Ls for trustees’ LDI implementation strategies
  • Optimum delegated governance models between trustees and agents. Can these operate at pace?
17.20 – 17.30
Feedback from Discussion Leaders

Ian McKinlay
Expert Pensions CIO

Tegs Harding
Director
Independent Trustee Services

The Facilitators will report back on the main points covered and the salient conclusions reached in their respective discussion groups.

17.30 – 17.40
Devil's Advocates' Summary

Sofia Perkonigg
Trustee Director
UBS Pension Scheme

Margaret de Valois
Senior Consultant
Stoneport Pensions

The Devil’s Advocates will offer their summary and main takeaways from the afternoon’s proceedings.

17.40 – 17.50
Final Thoughts & Closing Remarks
18.00
Kempen Follow-on event

All Masterclass delegates are invited to an in-person hospitality and networking event, ‘The outer edges of the investment world‘, at Dion Paternoster House near to St Paul’s, hosted by Kempen Capital Management

Speakers

Terry Alleyne

Trustee Director

Citi UK Pensions

Sharon Bowles

Baroness Bowles of Berkhamsted
House of Lords

Iain Brown

Head of UK FM Strategic Clients
Kempen Capital Management

Mike Clark

Founder Director

Ario Advisory

Lara Desay

Partner

Hymans Robertson

Joanne Donnelly

Board Secretary

LGPS Advisory Board

David Fairs

Executive Director
Regulatory Policy, Analysis & Advice
The Pensions Regulator

Fiona Frobisher

Deputy Director of DB Scheme Policy
Department for Work & Pensions

Mark Hedges

Trustee Director
Nationwide Pension Scheme

Tegs Harding

Director
Independent Trustee Services

Chris Hogg

Chief Executive Officer
National Grid UK Pension Scheme

Andrew Krousti

Head of Pensions
Capgemini

Russell Lee

Head of Insurance Solutions
M&G Investments

Claire McCormick

Pensions Trustee
Yorkshire & Clydesdale Bank DB Scheme

Ian McKinlay

Expert Pensions CIO

Charlotte O'Leary

Chief Executive Officer
Pensions for Purpose

Simon Partridge

Head of Fiduciary Management Solutions
Russell Investments

Sofia Perkonigg

Trustee Director

UBS Pension Scheme

John Raisin

Director
John Raisin Financial Services

Kerrin Rosenberg

Chief Executive Officer

Cardano Investment

Adam Saron

Founder
Clara Pensions

Henry Tapper

Executive Chair
AgeWage

Margaret de Valois

Senior Consultant
Stoneport Pensions

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Sally Bridgeland

Chair - Investment board
Local Pensions Partnership

Sally is an actuary with extensive experience in innovation, risk management and responsible investment across investment management and pensions. She was CEO of the BP Pension Scheme in 2007-14 after twenty years with Aon Hewitt working as a consultant and in investment research.

Her non-executive portfolio has included roles as trustee and investment committee chair at the Nuclear Liabilities Fund, NEST Corporation and the Lloyds Bank pension schemes. Sally’s non-executive portfolio currently includes Chair at Impax Asset Management Group plc, non-executive director at insurers Royal London, Pension Insurance Corporation and Royal & Sun Alliance Insurance, and at Local Pensions Partnership (LPP) Limited, where she chairs its regulated investment company.  

Sally is a Fellow of the Institute of Actuaries and has served the actuarial profession on its Council and professional committees. In the City of London, Sally is a Liveryman with both the Wheelwrights’ and the Actuaries’ Companies, having held office as the first lady Master of the Worshipful Company of Actuaries in 2016-17.

Sally’s passion for maths education is evident in her work as a member of the Royal Society’s Advisory Committee on Mathematics Education (ACME) and as Chair of the Strategic Advisory Board for the Centre for Mathematical Cognition at Loughborough University. Sally is an Honorary Group Captain in 601 Squadron of the Royal Auxiliary Air Force, introducing diverse ideas to the way that the Senior Leadership Team of the RAF think and work. 

Sharon Bowles

Baroness Bowles of berkhamsted
House of Lords

Baroness Bowles is a Liberal Democrat member of the House of Lords, and a non-executive director of the London Stock Exchange Plc. and Valloop Holdings Limited (a social impact Fintech). 

A physicist and mathematician, she professionally qualified as a patent attorney, establishing her own firm in 1981 and building a partnership which became internationally renowned in the field of electronics, computer architecture and semiconductor fabrication.

In 2005, she became a member of the European Parliament, and a member of the Economic and Monetary Affairs Committee, which she then chaired from 2009 – 2014. In that role, she chaired the Parliament Council Commission negotiations on all the post financial crisis legislature reforms and was named as the most influential Briton on European policy.

Retiring in 2014, she was appointed to the House of Lords in 2015, where she mainly focuses on business and financial services legislation and is a member of the Industry and Regulators Committee, and the Fraud Review Committee. She chaired the inquiry into employee ownership for the EOA, which published The Ownership Dividend.

Mike Clark

Founder Director
Ario Advisory

Mike runs a responsible investment advisory firm, Ario Advisory. With a background in investment management, governance, pensions and insurance, much of his work is concerned with the financial risks of climate change. He works across the investment sector with asset owners, investment managers, policymakers, regulators, investment consultants and NGOs.

Among his roles, he represents IFoA (actuaries) on the Sustainable Finance Advisory Council at the Oxford Smith School and sits on the WHEB Asset Management independent Advisory Committee. He has recently left the Brunel (LGPS) board, where he was a NED (chairing Audit&Risk, more recently Remco), and he was Specialist Adviser to the House of Commons Environmental Audit Committee for their 2018 Green Finance inquiry.

Lara Desay

Partner
Hymans Robertson

Lara joined Hymans Robertson as a partner in the Risk Transfer team in October this year, having previously been Head of Origination and Operations in Scottish Widows’ buy-in business.

She has 15 years of experience in the pensions and insurance industry, and has led a number of complex de-risking transactions, including £15bn of transactions between the Lloyds pension scheme and Scottish Widows (part of the Lloyds Banking Group).

Joanne Donnelly

Senior Pensions Secretary
Local Government Association

Jo joined the Local Government Association in January 2021 as Senior Pensions Secretary, and also acts as Deputy Secretary to the Local Government Pension Scheme Advisory Board.

Before joining the LGA, Jo worked as a senior policy adviser on public service pensions at HM Treasury for 4 years.

Prior to joining HM Treasury, Jo worked for the Department of Health as a policy manager on the NHS Pension Scheme for just over 3 years.

David Fairs

Executive Director - Regulatory Policy, Analysis & Advice
The Pensions Regulator

David was appointed Executive Director of Regulatory Policy, Analysis and Advice in 2018, having previously been a senior partner in KPMG’s Pension Practice. He is responsible for the development of policy for TPR and has oversight of TPR’s professional advisers including lawyers, actuaries, investment advisers and business analysts.  

He is co-chair of TPR’s Equality, Diversity and Inclusion Committee, and a member of the cross Government Portfolio Committee overseeing the introduction of the Pensions Dashboard. He is the responsible Executive for climate change and ESG within TPR, and a member of the Regulators’ Stewardship Group, a member of the Working Group on Productive Finance and member of the Climate Financial Risk Forum. He is a member of the Joint Forum for Actuarial Regulation and chairs the Pensions Working Group.

David is a former Chairman of the Association of Consulting Actuaries and Director of the Association of Consulting Actuaries Limited, a former Council member of the International Actuarial Association, and inaugural Chairman of the Joint Industry Forum for Workplace Pensions. He was also a Council member of the Society of Pension Consultants and is a former Chairman of the Actuaries Club.

David is also Chair of the Genomics Development Board for Sarcoma UK, and an advisory Board member of the Association for Business Psychologists and the Department of Mathematical Sciences at Essex University.  He is a Governor of the Pensions Policy Institute.

Fiona Frobisher

Deputy Director of
DB Scheme Policy
Department for work & Pensions

Fiona started her career in Welfare Rights advice, including work for CPAG, the child poverty action group, helping claimants understand and challenge legislation, and decisions of the department she now works for.

However over the past 20 years, she has worked in The Pensions Regulator, across a variety of roles leading operational teams, managing change and in most recent years, as Head of Policy, introducing initiatives such as DB codes, Master Trust authorisation and taking account of climate change risks in pension scheme funding.

In July 2021, Fiona joined the DWP as Deputy Director of the Defined Benefit Policy team. Her role is demanding and cross cutting, where she supports the Directorate to deliver DB policy and work closely across the wider network of stakeholders and external organisations, supports the Minister for Pensions to deliver changes to policy regulations, including new rules for scheme funding, new powers for the regulator and support for PPF to deliver appropriate protection for members.

Mark Hedges

Trustee Director
Nationwide Pension Fund

Mark is a Trustee and former Chief Investment Officer of the Nationwide Pension Fund, where he had responsibility for the performance and implementation of the asset allocation strategies agreed with the fund investment advisors.

Previously, he led the establishment of Nationwide’s Covered Bond programme and its Silverstone RMBS Master Trust funding vehicle. In addition, Mark has securitised UK Student Loans and a synthetic corporate bond structure along with structured transaction and investment in various ABS instruments. Past experience also includes leading the origination and structuring of social housing, PFI and commercial real estate debt transactions.

Russell Lee

Head of Investment Solutions
M&G Investments

Russell joined M&G Investments in 2019 to head the Global Insurance Solutions team. The team brings together expertise from across the firm to meet the complex requirements of insurance clients. 

Immediately prior to joining M&G, Russell worked at Legal & General, where he spent four years in the retirement division executing large bulk annuity transactions and developing new products. He worked closely with the internal manager on cash-flow matching strategies, holistic portfolio management, and incorporating illiquid assets into portfolios. 

He has a broad background in insurance and pension consulting, investing private capital, portfolio restructuring, corporate banking and quantitative finance. Russell holds a Doctorate from Queen’s University Belfast in Theoretical Physics. 

Ian McKinlay

Expert Pensions CIO

Ian is a highly experienced pensions investment executive. Most recently, he has been the Chief Investment Officer at Lloyds Banking Group Pensions, overseeing some £40 billion of assets across both DB and DC sections. He joined Lloyds from Aviva, where he carried out a similar role. Prior to that, he was the CIO of the Pension Protection Fund. Ian is also a member of the actuarial profession’s Finance and Investment Board, while also being Chairman of EPFIF’s Pension Fund Investment Advisory Committee.

Simon Partridge

Head of Fiduciary Management Solutions
Russell Investments

Simon is Head of Fiduciary Management Solutions and leads the evolution and growth of the firm’s fiduciary management offering for UK pension schemes. 

Based in London, he works with prospective clients to design custom solutions, bringing together our fiduciary strategy, investment and client teams.

Simon is a qualified actuary and has 18 years’ experience serving UK defined benefit and defined contribution pension schemes. 

Kerrin Rosenberg

Chief Executive Officer
Cardano Investments

Kerrin founded and leads Cardano’s UK team and has overall responsibility for the UK business and for Sustainability for the Cardano Group.

Kerrin is widely accepted as one of the UK’s investment thought leaders, playing an influential role in pioneering many concepts that are in mainstream use today, such as liability driven investing, fiduciary management and diversifying assets. 

Before setting up Cardano in the UK, Kerrin spent 15 years as an investment adviser at Aon Hewitt. Kerrin graduated from the University of Manchester with a degree in Economics, and qualified as an actuary in 1995. 

Adam Saron

Founder
Clara Pensions

Adam is the founder and former Chief Executive Officer of Clara-Pensions; and has been one of the driving forces in the creation of the DB consolidation or ‘superfund’ market. From 2017 to 2022, Adam led Clara from an idea to become the first (and currently only) superfund to complete the Pension Regulator’s assessment process. Adam was inspired to found Clara by his wife, for whom Clara is named.

Adam is motivated by clarity, teamwork and a strong desire to effect change. Adam believes that placing members and savers first is the key to delivering new solutions for UK pension schemes.

Adam has worked in financial services for over 25 years. He began his career in Equity Capital Markets at Goldman Sachs, where he advised European and global clients on the structuring and execution of equity and equity-linked financing. After spending a year in the insurance industry, he returned to the capital markets and was founding partner at Black Ant Investment Management – a global value investor, investing across the capital structure. Adam was a portfolio manager for 11 years on both the Black Ant Value and Credit funds.

Henry Tapper

Founder & CEO
AgeWage

Henry is the founder of both AgeWage and the Pension PlayPen, designed to map the pensions genome and ensure everyone gets data driven information on value for money. He has worked most of his career in pensions, most recently as a Director of First Actuarial, and notably at Eagle Star and Zurich Assurance.

He is a well known blogger on all pensions-related issues at henrytapper.com.

Margaret de Valois

Senior Consultant
Stoneport Pensions

Margaret is a senior consultant in Punter Southall Pension Solutions. She has more than 20 years of experience in the pensions industry advising clients on pension strategies. She has a track record of growing financial service firms, both as an independent consultant and as an executive leader.

Margaret supports the team in the design and implementation of the business development strategy of Stoneport from time to time whilst attempting to relieve the existing PSPS actuarial team of any tasks she can help. She will advise and guide Stoneport’s clients through the consolidation process.

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