DC Focus: Achieving Good Retirement Outcomes

Online in Zoom

Tuesday 21st February 2023

12:35 – 16.45 GMT

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Implications for Design of Accumulation & Drawdown Strategies

Prior to the pensions freedoms, savers in DC schemes had the single option to purchase an annuity at retirement, excepting only the tax-free lump sum allowance. Now choice is limitless, raising two overriding issues: the availability of suitable retirement solutions to meet the needs of the mass market, and the empowerment and translate into the combination of pension contributions, investments strategies, structural models, retirement product design and, not least, saver behaviours that will ensure successful and lasting retirement outcomes. 

At the Masterclass, expert practitioners and their key advisers, representing DC stakeholders across the board, will discuss the building blocks of DC retirement solutions and seek to demystify the many complexities involved. Expect a candid and highly interactive debate, with delegates encouraged to engage proactively throughout. 

Chair

Andy Cox

Chair
NatWest DC Plan

Agenda
Devil's Advocates

Sally Bridgeland, Chair – with Profits Committee, Royal London
Fiona Brown, Group Head of Pensions, Rolls-Royce
Glyn Jenkins, Head of Pensions, UNISON

A panel of Devil’s Advocates will be on duty for the course of the afternoon.
They will be available to pose challenging questions to any of the conference speakers when invited to do so by the Moderator of each session. They will provide an end of day summary of the main learning and action points from the conference.

12.15 12.35
Meet & Greet
12.35 12.50
Welcome & Introduction

Masterclass Chair:
Andy Cox
Chair
NatWest DC Plan

Programme Director:
Stephen Glover
Director
SG Pensions Enterprise

12.50 13.20
Keynote Presentation: Lessons from the Australian DC Retirement System

Martin Fahy
Chief Executive Officer
Association of Superannuation Funds of Australia

The Australian pensions system of retirement pension benefit funds, or superannuation, is based almost entirely upon defined contribution, and is of significantly longer standing and better funded than the aggregate of DC savings arrangements in the UK. It therefore presents an interesting example of the design of a robust retirement system and the challenges faced. 

Our speaker will describe the evolution of superannuation in Australia; the main features of the system as regards size, contributions, investment performance, fees, taxation and expected retirement outcomes; the roles of the key stakeholders among government, employers, employees, pensions providers and unions; and the challenges that remain. He will engage in extensive Q&A with delegates on the lessons from the Australian experience and whether these can be usefully applied here in the UK.

13.20 – 14.00
Panel Discussion:
Innovations in Retirement Product Design

Moderator:
Andy Cox
Chair
NatWest DC Plan

Hal La Thangue
Associate Director, Global Insights
Broadridge Analytics Solutions

Julius Pursaill
Strategic Advisor
Cushion

Sophia Singleton
Head of DC
XPS Pensions Group

Rob Yuille
Head of Long-Term Savings Policy
Association of British Insurers

DC savers do not enjoy a guaranteed pension the way members of DB schemes do. Therefore, there is no accepted or automatic retirement solution in place to meet their needs, even in the rare cases where these are clearly known. This has led to intense debate and commercial tension surrounding what DC retirement products should look like and how they can be realised.

In this session, delegates will learn of the latest initiatives and advances in the design of DC retirement strategies and compare the pros and cons of various approaches. Options include Collective Defined Contribution (CDC), longevity-only pooling, non-guaranteed annuities, deferred annuities, and multiple drawdown solutions, and their availability within both default and self-select retirement plans. 

14.00 – 14.25
Interview: The Future of DC Investment in the Growth Phase

Interviewer:
Ian McKinlay
Senior Adviser
Avida International

Interviewee:
Andy Dickson
Strategic Development Director
AEGON Master Trust

In addition to greater contributions, the investment performance of DC assets will be critical if we are to ensure good retirement outcomes across the board. This means that DC schemes need to broaden and optimize their risk and return opportunities to ensure good retirement outcomes across the board. This means that DC schemes need to assume higher levels of investment and liquidity risk in pursuit of greater returns in the face of the constraints imposed by the charge cap, the need for daily pricing, and intense fee competition among many providers.

This interview will describe some of the investment strategies and structures being used to achieve these objectives, and will posit what the investment portfolio of a well-run DC fund will look like in 5 years’ time.

14.25 – 14.45
Coffee at Home & Online Networking
14.45 – 14.50
Introduction to Discussion Groups
14.50 – 15.30
Expert Discussion Groups
Group 1) Improving Performance: Growing DC Pots More Effectively

Facilitator:
Tegs Harding
Chair of Investment Committee
L&G Master Trust

Lead Discussants: 
Andy Dickson
Strategic Development Director
AEGON Master Trust


David Hutchins
Portfolio Manager – Multi Asset Solutions
AllianceBernstein

Julius Pursaill
Strategic Advisor
Cushon

Matthew Roberts
Head of Alternative Solutions
Fulcrum Asset Management

Themes:

  • Resolving the contradiction between higher fees and cost competition. 
  • Incorporating illiquid and higher return assets
  • Optimal default strategies
  • The governance structures that will deliver higher performance: single trust/MT/contract-based
Group 2) At Retirement: Converting Pots to Pensions

Facilitator: 
Kevin Wesbroom
Professional Trustee
Capital Cranfield Trustees

Lead Discussants: 
Rachel Brougham
Trustee Executive
BESTrustees


Adrian Cooper
Business Development Director
HUB Financial Solutions

Laurie Edmans
Commissioner
Financial Inclusion Commission

David Harris
Managing Director
TOR Financial Consulting

Themes:

  • Trustee communication & engagement challenges
  • Advised vs non-advised solutions
  • Is there an optimal retirement product?
  • What does a good default retirement plan look like?
  • Measuring VFM in the retirement space
15.30 – 15.40
Feedback from Discussion Leaders

Tegs Harding
Director
Independent Trustee Services

Kevin Wesbroom
Professional Trustee
Capital Cranfield Trustees

The Facilitators will report back on the main points covered and the salient conclusions reached in their respective discussion groups.

15.40 – 16.20
Panel Discussion: Delivering the Power to the Road – Member and Employer Engagement

Moderator:
Henry Tapper
Executive Chair
AgeWage


Michelle Sutton
Head of Reward & Pensions
Suez

Jonathan Watts-Lay
Director
Wealth at Work

Janette Weir
Managing Director
Ignition House

No matter the merits of all the retirement solutions discussed during the Masterclass, and the resources, energy and commitment it would take to bring them effectively to market, they will achieve little if employers and savers do not adopt them. As a consequence effective education and engagement represent the essential sine qua non for the future of retirement in the UK.

The likes of the Pensions Dashboard, Pension Wise and Mid-Life MOT at the public level, and all matter of initiatives from private pensions providers and independent researchers have all sought to raise awareness of the need for increased contributions to DC savings and the drawdown choices available at retirement. 

A panel of leading experts will discuss the key initiatives to empower both savers and employers to support optimal retirement outcomes. 

16.20 – 16.35
Devil's Advocates' Summary

Sally Bridgeland
Chair – with Profits Committee
Royal London

Fiona Brown
Group Head of Pensions
Rolls-Royce

Glyn Jenkins
Head of Pensions
UNISON

The Devil’s Advocates will offer their summary and main takeaways from the afternoon’s proceedings.

16.35 – 16.45
Final Thoughts & Closing Remarks
Speakers

Sally Bridgeland

Chair - with Profits Committee
Royal London

Fiona Brown

Group Head of Pensions

Rolls-Royce

Adrian Cooper

Business Development Director
HUB Financial Solutions

Andy Dickson

Strategic Development Director
AEGON Master Trust

Laurie Edmans CBE

Commissioner

Financial Inclusion Commission

Martin Fahy

Chief Executive Officer

ASFA

Tegs Harding

Chair of Investment Committee
L&G Master Trust

David Harris

Managing Director

TOR Financial Consulting

David Hutchins

Portfolio Manager
Multi Asset Solutions

AllianceBernstein

Glyn Jenkins

Head of Pensions

UNISON

Hal La Thangue

Associate Director
Global Insights

Broadridge Analytics Solutions

Ian McKinlay

Expert Pensions CIO

Julius Pursaill

Strategic Advisor

Cushon

Matthew Roberts

Head of Alternative Solutions
Fulcrum

Sophia Singleton

Head of DC

XPS Pensions Group

Michelle Sutton

Head of Reward & Pensions
Suez

Henry Tapper

Executive Chair

AgeWage

Jonathan Watts-Lay

Director

Wealth at Work

Janette Weir

Managing Director

Ignition House

Kevin Wesbroom

Professional Trustee

Capital Cranfield Trustees

Rob Yuille

Head of Long-Term Savings Policy
Association of British Insurers

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Andy Cox

Chair
Natwest DC Plan

Andy enjoys a portfolio career as a trustee and Non Executive Director. In the world of pensions, he is Chair of Trustees of the Nat West DC Plan, a NED at Capital Cranfield, and a member of the Investment and Funding Committee of the Lloyds Banking Group DB pension schemes.

Until 2019, Andy spent 30 years at Aon as an actuarial and Investment consultant, was a member of the Global Retirement & Investment Leadership and CEO of Aon Hewitt Ltd in the UK. He also sat on the Aon Global Operating Committee.

In his spare time, Andy enjoys skiing and scrambling with his family and has recently passed his private pilots license.  He is also looking forward to more success supporting Wales on the rugby pitch.

Fiona Brown

Group Head of Pensions
Rolls-Royce

Fiona is currently Group Head of Pensions & Benefits at Rolls-Royce Plc. Her role is a hands on one in the UK, with fiduciary and strategic responsibilities outside the UK. Fiona is also global lead on Financial Wellbeing strategies. Fiona has previously held in house Pensions and Reward lead roles at Thomas Cook Plc and Electricity North West.

Prior to her in-house roles, Fiona spent 14 years at the Big 4, in consultancy roles. Fiona’s passion is financial wellbeing, improving general numeracy skills and better supporting people in making effective short and long term financial decisions.

Adrian Cooper

Business Development Director
Destination Retirement (HUB Financial Solutions)

Adrian is Business Development Director, Destination Retirement at HUB Financial Solutions. He is passionate about delivering innovation in the retirement space to help people achieve a better later life.

Prior to joining HUB Group, he held senior sales and marketing management roles at Barnett Waddingham, Sacker & Partners and Towers Perrin. He is Chair of the Central London Group PLSA Committee and a regular judge at industry awards.

Adrian started his career at Pearl Assurance after gaining his degree in Management Sciences from UMIST (now Manchester University). Outside of work, he plays football and is a keen runner.

Andy Dickson

Strategy Development Director
AEGON UK

Andy has an established track record of driving DC strategies to meet the requirements of the UK’s largest employers. Prior to his current role of Master Trust Strategic Development Director at Aegon UK Investing, Andy was at Standard Life Group for over 25 years working within the Group’s DC Corporate business and the Asset Management arm as an Investment Director.

Latterly, he was Head of Market Strategy at Atlas Master Trust. He is a regular pension trade press contributor and presenter at pension and investment conferences in the UK and overseas and former chair of the DC Investment Forum.

Martin Fahy

Chief Executive Officer
Association of Superannuation Funds of Australia (ASFA)

Dr Martin Fahy is Chief Executive Officer of the Association of Superannuation Funds of Australia (ASFA). He joined ASFA in November 2016, and was previously a Partner in management consultancy at KPMG, where he worked with clients across the financial services and other sectors to drive transformational change.

Martin has worked in a consulting and advisory capacity in the US, Europe, the Middle East and Africa and Asia Pacific. He is a recognized thought leader in the field of Shared Services, Business Process Outsourcing (BPO) and Finance Transformation. He has presented at more than 500 industry and academic conferences and has published five books, three monographs and numerous articles.

From 2007 to 2011, Martin was CEO at the Financial Services Institute of Australasia (FINSIA) where he led the organisation’s transformation post the sale of its education business. Prior to FINSIA, he led strategy and development for the Chartered Institute of Management Accountants (CIMA) in Asia Pacific.

Martin holds a Ph.D from the National University of Ireland, is a former senior Fulbright scholar and has extensive research and policy experience from his time as an academic. He is an Adjunct Professor at the University of Technology Sydney, where he is also Chair of the Centre for Management and Organisational Studies (CMOS) Advisory Board.

David Harris

Managing Director
TOR Financial Consulting

David is a recognised international expert on pensions and wrap platforms. He has more than twenty years’ experience of pension reform issues in Australia, The Americas, Israel, New Zealand, Asia, South Africa, United Kingdom and Europe. 
 
A former financial services and competition regulator, David has served on Australian and Irish Government inquiries into public and private sector pensions.  In 2013, he served as an adviser to the OECD in their review of the Irish Pension System.  Subsequently David has advised clients on Irish, NZ and Australian pension reform developments.
 
Prior to founding TOR, he was a senior consultant with Watson Wyatt & Company in the United Kingdom and Research Consultant with Watson Wyatt LLP in Washington, DC. He has testified several times before the U.S. Congress (House Ways & Means and Commerce Committees and Senate Ageing) on international social security and pension reform aspects.
 
David was awarded the AMP Churchill Fellowship to study what influences public confidence in the life insurance and retirement industries across seven international jurisdictions, and he has written extensively in European trade journals on the issues of pensions and funds management. He has a Bachelor of Business in Accounting and post-graduate qualifications in bank management.

David Hutchins

lead Portfolio Manager – multi asset solutions
AllianceBernstein

David Hutchins is a Senior Vice President and Head of AB’s Multi-Asset Solutions business in EMEA. He is responsible for the development and management of multi-asset portfolios for a range of clients.
 
Hutchins joined the firm in 2008 after spending two years at UBS Investment Bank, where he was responsible for devising and delivering innovative capital markets risk-management solutions for pension schemes.
 
Prior to that, he spent 13 years at Mercer, where he served as a European principal and scheme actuary, providing trustee and corporate advice to a range of UK pension funds and their sponsors. Hutchins holds a BSc in mathematics and a PGCE from the University of Bristol. He has chaired the Investment Management Association’s Defined Contribution Committee and formerly chaired the defined contribution industry working group for the UK government’s “defined ambition” project.
 
Hutchins is a Fellow of the Institute and Faculty of Actuaries in London. 

Glyn Jenkins

Head of Pensions
UNISON

After graduating in 1976, Glyn started with CT Bowrings working on the administration of their staff pension schemes. He then worked in pension consultancy for a few years before joining the trade union Nalgo in 1987. After merger in 1993, he became Head of Pensions for the new union UNISON. Glyn has been at the forefront of all the regulatory changes for the LGPS and NHSPS advising members and supporting negotiations. He has also worked on all the other pension schemes that UNISON members belong to, in the energy, water, higher education and voluntary sectors.

He led negotiations to allow contractors to be able to gain admitted body status in the LGPS for outsourced members in 2000. He has supported members through the pension disputes in 2007 and 2011, and works continuously on protecting good pension provision for members and increasing employer contributions to DC arrangements, where this is not possible.

Hal La Thangue

Associate Director
Broadridge

Hal is an Associate Director within the Distribution Insight team at Broadridge. He is responsible for using insights generated by Broadridge’s unique datasets to advise asset managers on key opportunities across the world’s retail and institutional market, with a primary focus on EMEA.

Hal is a key contributor to Broadridge’s work on UK DB and DC pensions, and retirement income. He also leads research into various product segments, the various strands of factor investing being an area of particular expertise.

He holds an MSc Economics from LSE and taught introductory economics to undergraduates at the university.

Ian McKinlay

Expert Pensions CIO

Ian is a highly experienced pensions investment executive. Most recently, he has been the Chief Investment Officer at Lloyds Banking Group Pensions, overseeing some £40 billion of assets across both DB and DC sections. He joined Lloyds from Aviva, where he carried out a similar role. Prior to that, he was the CIO of the Pension Protection Fund. Ian is also a member of the actuarial profession’s Finance and Investment Board, while also being Chairman of EPFIF’s Pension Fund Investment Advisory Committee.

Matthew Roberts

Head of Alternative Solutions
Fulcrum Asset Management

Matthew is Head of Fulcrum Alternative Solutions. Before joining Fulcrum in 2018 to run Fulcrum Alternative Solutions, Matthew had been a Portfolio Manager for the Towers Watson Partners Fund since 2014 and before that a manager researcher in fixed income, hedge funds and other alternatives since 2005.
 
Matthew holds a BSc in Economics and Finance (2005) from University of Bristol. He has been a CFA charterholder since 2009.

Sophia Singleton

Partner & Head of DC
XPS Pensions Group

Sophia joined XPS Pensions Group in June 2020 to lead their DC business, helping clients deliver top class DC services to their members. Prior to that, she led Aon’s DC Consulting business. Sophia has over 24 years’ experience in the UK pensions industry and advises corporates and trustees on a range of DC pension solutions, developing and delivering DC strategies that optimise scheme design, ensuring effective governance and improving member outcomes. She is a well-known industry and media commentator on DC market developments and feels passionately that we must tackle short-term financial resilience as well as deliver better long-term post-retirement products, if we’re going to help today’s workforce to retire with the security and lifestyle they want; she is regularly quoted in the press and presents on DC issues at industry events.

Michelle Sutton

Head of Reward & Pensions
Suez

Michelle has been working in payroll and benefits since 1992, working in a variety of roles including overseas assignments for Tesco. She has been listed in the Reward300 for the past three years and loves what she does.

Michelle’s current role as head of compensation and reward at SUEZ means she is responsible for HR Systems, Pensions, Payroll and Reward, which is both challenging and satisfying, especially with the ever-changing world of remuneration. Michelle has led the expansion of SUEZ’s benefits portfolio, partnering with a variety of companies to help employees understand and improve their financial wellbeing, leading to several industry recognised awards. Michelle also works for the Chartered Institute of Payroll Professionals as a tutor, supporting students in the foundation degree in payroll management, and as an examiner since 2012.

According to Michelle, working in the HR industry is a lot of fun and very rewarding.  She thinks it’s important to attend events – both online and face to face – for networking with like-minded professionals.

Henry Tapper

Founder & CEO
AgeWage

Henry is the founder of both AgeWage and the Pension PlayPen, designed to map the pensions genome and ensure everyone gets data driven information on value for money. He has worked most of his career in pensions, most recently as a Director of First Actuarial, and notably at Eagle Star and Zurich Assurance.

He is a well known blogger on all pensions-related issues at henrytapper.com.

Jonathan Watts-Lay

Director
Wealth at Work

Jonathan is one of the original founders of WEALTH at work. He has spent many years working with companies across the UK to help their employees improve their financial future through the provision of financial education, guidance and regulated financial advice.

In recent years, this service has extended to the Trustee market, supporting pension schemes to help their members understand their financial situation, particularly with regards to pensions and how to optimise income in retirement.

Jonathan is also a recognised commentator on a range of financial matters from how to help employees make the most of their pay and benefits, or the best ways to support them plan for their retirement by understanding the risks and complex decisions to be made. He is often quoted in the national and trade press and frequently speaks at conferences and roundtable events.

Janette Weir

Managing Director
Ignition House

Janette is one of the founding directors of Ignition House. She has more than twenty years research experience and brings a broad range of research and consultancy skills and experience from her previous roles. Janette is responsible for new business development and is Head of the Financial Services and Public Sector Practices. She started her career as an economist at the Department of Work and Pensions, where she spent five years advising ministers and policy makers. This gave her a solid grounding in research skills and an understanding of the public sector.

She moved to be Chief Economist at the Association of British Insurers to build detailed knowledge of the insurance sector. From there, she led a team of thirty analysts covering all aspects of Financial Services as Head of UK Financial Services Research at McKinsey and Company. She was part of a pan-European team, which gave an international flavour to her research skill set. She also worked in a small team for a year to develop and implement McKinsey’s knowledge management strategy.

As Director of the Financial and Public Sector Practice at IQ Research, she built a solid practice of bespoke and syndicated work for financial services companies, economics consultancies, regulators, and trade associations. Janette is a well-known industry expert on the life and pensions sector, and often writes articles for the trade press.

Kevin Wesbroom

Professional Trustee
Capital Cranfield Trustees

Kevin acted as an actuarial adviser to both trustees and employers, – not just DB and DC schemes but also Collective DC (CDC) arrangements. He has always been at the forefront of developments in pensions. He was early into DB end game components, such as buyout and member options. He was a lead member of the PLSA DB Taskforce (that suggested the creation of Superfunds) and a key player on an actuarial Working Group that produced the definitive paper on End Games. On DC, he was involved in improving investment options and communication strategies, as well as decumulation strategies (more to do!). Equally he was involved in the nuts and bolts of mastertrust authorisation.

Kevin’s deep technical expertise in pensions is matched by the energy and enthusiasm he brings to the subject – he has a strong drive to get to sensible, balanced outcomes for trustees, members and sponsors alike.

Kevin is a Fellow of the Institute and Faculty of Actuaries, an APPT member and honorary FPMI. He has two charity appointments.

Rob Yuille

Head of Long Term Savings Policy
Association for British Insurers (ABI)

Rob is Head of Long-Term Savings Policy at the Association of British Insurers. Since joining in January 2012 he has led the ABI’s work on customers’ retirement choices, responding to pension freedoms, and policy and governance around pensions dashboards.

He now oversees long-term savings policy areas from automatic enrolment to social care, and from investment platforms to Defined Benefit pensions. He previously worked at the Money Advice Service, the FSA and in policy and public affairs roles in the voluntary and private sectors.

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