Running On or Cashing Out? The Strategic Future for DB Schemes
EVENT OVERVIEW
Corporate DB pensions have been characterised by two decades of de-risking, driven by accounting reforms like FRS 17 and FRS 102, which mandated both the reporting of pensions liabilities on company balance sheets and discounting at low yields, all exacerbated by the financial markets crisis, which resulted in 11 years of QE, rock bottom rates and severe pension deficits.
Now, with rates much higher and many schemes exhibiting significant surpluses, the narrative has flipped. The Government is promoting growth and productive investment, while schemes grapple with a regulatory framework still routed in deficit recovery. The 2025 Pension Schemes Bill and a new DB Funding Code mark a complex crossroads.
The conference will explore the key strategic choices now facing scheme sponsors. trustees, providers, advisers and members – from buyout and run-on to surplus extraction, consolidation, and even reopening – through open, lively discussion designed to challenge, inform and inspire.
EVENT INFO
VENUE
The DC Growth & Retirement Summit will be held at the Banking Hall in London.
Attendance to the event is FREE for pension funds, employers, government representatives.
There is a modest fee for asset managers and consultants. You can contact us if you have any queries.
CPD
This event qualifies for 6 hours and 15 minutes of CPD credit. You can request CPD credit for the event when you register.
AGENDA
09:00 - 09:30
Registration & Welcome
Networking Activity | Foyer
Devil’s Advocates Panel

Roger Higgins, Chair of Trustees, Aga Ringmaster
Our morning Devil’s Advocates will challenge speakers with incisive questions throughout the sessions and present their key reflections and takeaways just before lunch.
09:30 - 09:45
Welcome & Introduction
Opening Remarks

Programme Director: Stephen Glover, Founder & Director, SG Pensions Enterprise
Mark Hedges

Trustee Director
Nationwide Pension Fund
Mark is a Trustee and former Chief Investment Officer of the Nationwide Pension Fund, where he had responsibility for the performance and implementation of the asset allocation strategies agreed with the fund investment advisors.
Previously, he led the establishment of Nationwide’s Covered Bond programme and its Silverstone RMBS Master Trust funding vehicle. In addition, Mark has securitised UK Student Loans and a synthetic corporate bond structure along with structured transaction and investment in various ABS instruments. Past experience also includes leading the origination and structuring of social housing, PFI and commercial real estate debt transactions.
09:45 - 10:15
The "State of the Union" for Private DB Schemes
Keynote Presentation

Andrew Reid, Managing Director, BlackRock

Sponsored by BlackRock
This keynote session will provide a data-driven overview of the evolving private DB pensions landscape, examining shifting stakeholder priorities, regulatory developments, improved funding, and emerging endgame options, alongside insights from market analysis and consolidation trends.
The "State of the Union" for Private DB Schemes
Keynote Presentation
Session Description
As private DB schemes navigate a radically changed landscape, this keynote offers a panoramic view of the sector’s evolving dynamics – from shifting stakeholder objectives across pension providers, members, trustees, insurers, employers, government and regulators, to the impact of the Pensions Bill, improved funding levels, and the expanding range of endgame choices available.
Our speaker will explore what schemes are actually doing via market analysis and survey findings, and other scheme consolidation. Expect a clear-eyed, data-backed narrative on the state of the DB pensions marketplace and its future direction.
Speakers in this Session

Andrew Reid, Managing Director, BlackRock
10:15 - 10:55
A Tour of the Endgame Alternatives
Panel Discussion
This session brings together experts across the pensions landscape to explore the full spectrum of DB endgame options— from run-on to risk transfer—offering insights into shifting market dynamics and the key choices sponsors and trustees must navigate.
A Tour of the Endgame Alternatives
Panel Discussion
Session Description
Speakers from among an insurer, a consolidator, an investment manager, a specialist capital provider and a pensions consultant will each make the case for their recommended endgame journey among the various approaches available, from indefinite run-on to full risk transfer.
They will discuss how the market dynamics have changed in the past 12 months and the critical decisions facing both sponsors and trustees to achieve their best endgame result.
Speakers in this Session

Panellists TBC
10:55 - 11:15
The Pros & Cons of the Insurance Solution
Presentation
This session examines the true cost and value of insurance-based risk transfer for DB schemes, weighing the appeal of certainty and de-risking against the loss of future upside, flexibility, and member benefit enhancements.
The Pros & Cons of the Insurance Solution
Presentation
Session Description
Leading insurers typically target returns anywhere from 6–15% from pension risk transfer arrangements, with higher margins required in keeping with the complexity of the deal and the longevity risk involved. These margins often significantly exceed the insurer’s cost of capital, suggesting that buyouts could be equally categorised not just as risk transfer but also as return transfer – from the scheme to the insurer.
For DB scheme sponsors, the price of eliminating balance sheet risk can be steep: the premium paid reflects an elimination of future surplus potential, and once the buyout is executed, members are locked into fixed benefits with no scope for discretionary enhancements. While the appeal of certainty and regulatory finality is strong, especially for corporate sponsors seeking to de-risk, the trade-off is the forfeiture of flexibility and upside.
Our speaker will discuss the value of risk transfer solutions in this context.
Speakers in this Session

Speaker TBC
11:15 - 11:40
Networking Break
Networking Activity | Foyer
11:40 - 12:05
Shared Ambition & The DB Non-Endgame
Interview
This session explores the Shared Ambition model as a groundbreaking alternative to traditional DB endgames, showcasing how surplus can be strategically used to enhance member benefits and support business goals—without resorting to buyout or run-on.
Shared Ambition & the DB Non-Endgame
Presentation
Session Description
Peter Cameron Brown will share insights from operating the UK’s only Shared Ambition pension scheme – UKAS – an innovative average salary arrangement with discretionary benefits and dynamic inflation protection.
Unlike traditional models, Shared Ambition allows pension benefits to rise as surpluses grow, with increases becoming part of the guaranteed pension, creating a resilient, member-focused structure. UKAS is currently 170% funded on a technical provisions basis and 136% on a solvency basis, having delivered 10% revaluations in both 2024 and 2025.
Peter will argue that surplus should be seen as a strategic asset, not a liability to be offloaded via buyout or risk transfer. He will challenge the prevailing industry view that schemes must be wound up before corporate transactions, positioning Shared Ambition as a superior alternative to both buyout and run-on models. By enabling trustees and sponsors to collaborate on surplus use and direct benefits toward current employees and the business, he will present it as a flexible, future-facing solution for schemes in either surplus or deficit.
Speakers in this Session

Peter Cameron Brown, Chair, UKAS Pension Trustee Company
12:05 - 12:45
Asset Allocation in a Run-On Environment
Panel Discussion

Speakers TBC
This session will examine how asset allocation strategies must adapt in a run-on environment, exploring surplus generation, governance, re-risking potential, and the investment models best suited to support long-term DB scheme sustainability.
Asset Allocation in a Run-On Environment
Panel Discussion
Session Description
If schemes opt to run on rather than buy out, asset allocation strategy becomes a defining feature of long-term success.
The panel will explore the composition of investment portfolios depending on whether surplus generation is a goal, and what an effective surplus-sharing setup requires in terms of liquidity, governance, and risk appetite.
Speakers will examine the implications of scheme size and scale, and whether some funds have de-risked so far that re-risking is no longer viable. With the new Pensions Bill reshaping expectations, how might run-on portfolios evolve – and will re-risking lean more toward equities, debt, or illiquids?
Finally, our panel will consider whether fiduciary management or OCIO models are better placed to deliver the higher risk-adjusted returns associated with run-on.
Speakers in this Session

Panellists TBC
12:45 - 13:10
The Bigger Picture – Making the Endgame Work for Members
Presentation

Terry Pullinger, Former Deputy Secretary General Postal, Communication Workers Union
This session offers a member-focused perspective on the DB endgame, drawing on the Royal Mail’s CDC experience to advocate for innovation, inclusion, and long-term thinking as essential to delivering sustainable outcomes and resisting a narrow focus on risk transfer.
The Bigger Picture - Making the Endgame Work for Members
Presentation
Session Description
Drawing on the transformative journey of the Royal Mail Pension Scheme and its pioneering shift to Collective Defined Contribution (CDC), Terry Pullinger will offer a compelling reflection on the priorities for DB pension schemes from a member’s perspective. He will examine the current state of the industry, highlighting both the pressures and opportunities it faces, and make the case for innovation in both governance and management as essential to securing sustainable member outcomes.
With a critical eye on government and regulatory initiatives, Terry will explore their role in shaping pensions policy for broader societal benefit. Emphasising the need for education, inclusion, and long-term commitment, he will argue that these values must underpin any strategy for member-centric reform.
Finally, he will issue a call to action, urging schemes to consider alternatives to risk transfer before the window for meaningful change closes.
Speakers in this Session

Terry Pullinger, Former Deputy Secretary General Postal, Communication Workers Union
13:10 - 13:20
Devil’s Advocates Summary
The Devil’s Advocates will give their summary of the main debating points, conclusions and action points from the morning sessions.
13:20 - 14:10
Lunch
Devil’s Advocates Panel
Throughout the afternoon, our panel of Devil’s Advocates will challenge speakers with thought-provoking questions and close the day by sharing their key insights and takeaways from the discussions.
14.10 - 14:50
The New World of Surplus Management
Panel Discussion

Speakers TBC
This session will explore how the shift from deficit recovery to surplus management is reshaping DB scheme strategy, as stakeholders navigate evolving advisory models, investment approaches, and innovative ways to deploy surplus for mutual benefit.
The New World of Surplus Management
Panel Discussion
Session Description
Surpluses abound in many DB schemes even allowing for disparities in the figures. Now, there could be gains all round in terms of securing and even increasing member benefits, potentially lowering contributions and even returning funds to sponsors. Yet many of the advisory offerings on the market have been built for an underfunded, deficit-recovery world, not a surplus world.
Our panel will debate the shifts in thinking among advisors, regulators, trustees, employers and managers as regards accessing surpluses in DB schemes, the optimum investment strategies for managing surplus, and how they may be impelled towards greater creativity in disbursing surplus returns.
Speakers in this Session

Panellists TBC
14:50 - 15:10
Session TBC
Presentation
Session Description TBC
Rethinking Retirement Income
Presentation
Session Description
Defining a default retirement income solution is a proposition problem, not an investment problem. The first step is to create a framework to understand who the target member is and what does a better outcome look like.
The discussion will give an overview of the application of this framework and consider a quantitative assessment of the options from annuity, drawdown, flex-first-fix-later and decumulation-only CDC.
Speakers in this Session

Massi Delle Donne
Head of Institutional Client Specialists, EMEA
BlackRock

This session is sponsored by BlackRock
15:10 - 15:50
The Evolving Endgame Decision Factors
Roundtable Discussions

Facilitator: TBC

Panellists TBC
This interactive roundtable will engage delegates in exploring the key and evolving factors shaping DB endgame decisions—such as scheme size, funding level, covenant strength, and sponsor priorities—with insights shared across the wider conference.
The Evolving Endgame Decision Factors
Roundtable discussions
Session Description
Following a scene-setting introduction, a Moderator at each table will lead a discussion on the key decision factors that trustees and sponsors need to take into consideration when deciding on the endgame choice for their DB pension scheme and how the relative merits of the various options are evolving.
These could include size of scheme, funding level, quality of employer covenant, the ratio of deferred to active members, sponsor priorities and costs among others.
Several of the Moderators will be called upon to summarise their conclusions to the overall conference.
Speakers in this Session

Panellists TBC
15:50 - 16:15
Networking Break
Networking Activity | Foyer
16:15 - 16:55
Sustainability in the DB Endgame
Panel Discussion

Panellists TBC
This panel will examine how DB endgame strategies can support broader sustainability goals—balancing de-risking with investment in productive finance and net zero—while navigating the evolving roles of illiquid assets, insurer appetites, and regulatory frameworks.
Sustainability in the DB Endgame
Panel Discussion
Session Description
This panel will explore whether certain endgame strategies — such as run-on models or alternative consolidation vehicles — might better align with broader sustainability objectives, including the UK government’s ambitions around productive finance and net zero.
With illiquid assets playing a pivotal role in the transition to a greener economy, speakers will examine how pension schemes can continue to support these investments even as some shift toward lower-risk portfolios.
The discussion will also embrace the capacity of the bulk annuity market to embed sustainability, asking which illiquid assets are deemed acceptable by insurers and how regulatory frameworks and government policy might evolve to support long-term ESG integration.
Expect a lively exchange on the practical, political, and fiduciary dimensions of building a sustainable DB endgame.
Speakers in this Session

Panellists TBC
16:55 - 17:05
Devil’s Advocates Summary
The Devil’s Advocates will give their summary of the main debating points, conclusions and action points from the afternoon session.
17:05 - 17:15
Chair's Summary
Closing Remarks
The Chair will conclude the day’s proceedings and reflect on the various opinions discussed throughout the day.
17:15 - 18:45
Drinks Reception
Networking Activity | Foyer
Following conclusion of the conference, delegates are invited to stay for drinks and network with fellow members of the industry.
Speakers

Martin Bailey
Head of Strategic Engagement
City of London Corporation

Shalin Bhagwan
Chief Actuary
Pension Protection Fund

Marian D’Auria
Global Head of Risk & Sustainability
GFG Alliance

Mirko Cardinale
Head of Investment Strategy & Advice
USSIM

Mike Clark
Founder Director
Ario Advisory

Andy Cox
Chair
NatWest DC Plan

Nicolas Firzli
Director General
World Pensions Council

Chris Giles
Consultant - Investment Solutions
Independent

Mark Hedges
Trustee Director
Nationwide Pension Fund

Louise Kooy-Henckel
Managing Director, EMEA Head of Sustainable and Transition Solutions (STS)
BlackRock

Mark Hill
Climate & Sustainability Lead
The Pensions Regulator

Chris Hitchen
Chairman
Border to Coast Pensions Partnership

Veronica Humble
Chief Investment Officer
NatWest Cushon

Saurabh Katiyar
Executive Director and Head of Index Solutions Research, EMEA
MSCI

Andrew Krousti
Head of Pensions
Capgemini

Philip Latham
Head
Clwyd Pension Fund

Jon Little
Chair
Local Pensions Partnership Investments

Neil Mason
Director of Pensions
Surrey Pension Team

Charlotte Moore
Freelance Journalist
Independent

Euan Munro
Industry Veteran
Former Asset Management CEO

Toby Nangle
Contributing Editor
Financial Times

Sofia Perkonigg
Trustee Director
UBS Pension Fund

David Porter
Head of Investment Delivery
The People’s Pension

Amlan Roy
Partner, Investment Team
LCP

Bobby Riddaway
Managing Director
HS Trustees

Mitesh Sheth
Former CEO Redington | Former CIO Newton IM

Anna Stupnytska
Head of Long-Term Investment Strategy
Nest

Mark Tennant
Trustee
Country Landowners Pension Fund
Venue
Stationers' Hall, London
This event will be held at Stationers’ Hall in London.
Plan your journey via Transport for London.
Travel & Access
Tube:
St. Paul's (Central) - approx. 5 min walk;
Blackfriars (Circle & District);
Bank (Central, Northern, Waterloo & City) - approx. 10 min walk
National Rail:
Ludgate Hill (Thameslink) - approx. 3 min walk;
Blackfriars - approx. 10 min walk;
Cannon Street - approx 15 mins walk.