The Changing DB Endgame

All Day Conference
Royal College of Physicians,
London, NW1 4LE
 

Wednesday 4th December 2024

10:00 – 18:50 GMT

Agenda
Morning
Afternoon

10:30 – Welcome & Introduction

Chair: Mark Hedges
Programme Director: Stephen Glover

10:45 – Implications for Pensions of the New Labour Government

Keynote Speaker: Chris Pond
Session Type: Keynote Presentation

11:15 – The Endgame Choices Available to DB Schemes

Speakers: Russell Lee,
Gurbani Swanni Leach
Session Type: Presentation
Sponsored by: M&G Investments

11:40 – The Bigger Picture on Endgame Decisions

Speaker: John Hamilton
Session Type: Presentation

12:05 – The Solution Providers Take the Stand

Speakers: Peter Ballard (Mod), Andrea Mendham, Joshua Tipper, John Quinlivan, Editor Truell, Matt Wilmington
Session Type: Panel Discussion
Sponsored by: AON, Kuperstein Kapital

12:45 – Devil's Advocates Summary

Speakers: Mark Hedges (Mod), Ryan Collin, Toby Nangle, Sofia Perkonigg
Session Type: Morning Summary

12:50 – Lunch

13:45 – Spotlight: Implications for the Endgame of the New DB Funding Code

Speaker: Fiona Frobisher
Session Type: Presentation

14:15 – Transitioning to a Run-On Portfolio

Speakers: Ian McKinlay (Mod), Matt Stephenson
Session Type: Presentation / Discussion
Sponsored by: Insight Investment

14:40 – The View from the Corporate Sponsor's Seat

Speakers: Charlotte Moore (Mod), Morten Nilsson, Keith Scott, Steve Hodder, Philip Hawkins, Sammy Cooper-Smith
Session Type: Panel Discussion
Sponsored by: LCP, Rothesay

15:25 – Coffee & Networking Break

15:50 – The Key Endgame Decision Factors

Facilitator: Shalin Bhagwan
Moderators: Con Keating, Andrew Krousti, William McGrath, Ian McKinlay, Stephanie Nuttall, Sofia Perkonigg
Session Type: Roundtable Discussion

16:30 – Supporting Endgame Solutions for All

Speakers: Michelle Ostermann
Session Type: Presentation

17:00 – Devil's Advocates Summary

Speakers: Mark Hedges (Mod), Andrew Carrett, Deepa Driver, Mark Thompson
Session Type: Afternoon Summary

17:10 – Chair's Closing Remarks

Speaker: Mark Hedges

17:20 – Drinks Reception

Speakers

Chair

Mark Hedges, Trustee Director, Nationwide Pension Fund

Mark Hedges

Trustee Director
Nationwide Pension Fund

Keynote Speaker

Chris Pond, Chair, Financial Inclusion Commission

Chris Pond

Chair
Financial Inclusion Commission

Devil's Advocates

Andrew
Carrett

Managing Director
Flint Hyde

Ryan
Collin

Scheme Manager
Open Trustees

Deepa
Driver

Chair of Negotiators
UCU

Toby Nangle, Economic & Financial Markets Analyst

Toby
Nangle

Contributing Editor
Financial Times

Sofia
Perkonigg

Trustee Director
UBS Pension Fund

Mark Thompson, Chair of the Trustee Board M&G Pension Scheme

Mark
Thompson

Chair of Trustees
M&G Pension Scheme

Roundtable Facilitator

Shalin
Bhagwan

Chief Actuary
Pension Protection Fund

Presenters

Fiona
Frobisher

Head of Policy
The Pensions Regulator

John
Hamilton

Chair of Trustees
Stagecoach Group Pension Scheme

Russell
Lee

Head of Insurance Solutions
M&G Investments

Michelle
Ostermann

Chief Executive Officer
Pension Protection Fund

Gurbani
Swanni Leach

Head of Endgame Solutions
M&G Investments

Panel Moderators

Peter
Ballard

Head of Trustee Delivery
Railpen

Charlotte
Moore

Freelance Journalist
Independent

PANELLISTS

Morten
Nilsson

Chief Executive
Brightwell

Philip
Hawkins

Finance Director
Matheson & Co.

Steve
Hodder

Partner
LCP

Joshua
Tipper

Associate Partner
AON

John
Quinlivan

Founder & Director
Kuperstein Kapital

Edi
Truell

Co-Founder
Pension Superfund Capital

Matt
Wilmington

Chief Transactions Officer
Clara Pensions

Sammy
Cooper-Smith

Head of Business Development
Rothesay

ROUNDTABLE MODERATORS

Con
Keating

Head of Research
Brighton Rock Group

Andrew
Krousti

Head of Pensions
Capgemini

William
McGrath

Chief Executive
C-Suite Pension Strategies

Ian McKinlay, Senior Adviser, Avida International

Ian
McKinlay

Senior Adviser
Avida International

Stephanie Nuttall, Head of Pension Scheme Executive, M&G plc

Stephanie
Nuttall

Head of Pension Scheme Executive
M&G plc

Sponsors
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EVENT INFO

DB Schemes find themselves sitting on a large aggregate surplus, due to higher interest rates and not having been fully hedged in many cases. Profound questions emerge regarding the ownership of that surplus, and whether it can be shared effectively between sponsors and members to the greater benefit of the economy at large.

An array of expert practitioners at the conference will consider how to achieve the joint objectives of securing DB scheme liabilities, maximising surplus return opportunities and wider societal gains, and the products and strategies that are available and emerging to ensure the broadest choices and best outcomes.

In common with all SGPE Masterclasses, the conference will be highly interactive, with free and frank exchanges of views, a focus on original and thought-provoking content, and with participants encouraged to engage and contribute proactively throughout.

Venue

The Changing DB Endgame will be held at Royal College of Physicians in London. 

Venue Address: Royal College of Physicians, 11 St Andrews Pl, London NW1 4LE

Nearest Tube Stations

Regent's Park (Bakerloo - 4 mins)
Great Portland Street (Circle, Metropolitan, H&C - 4 mins)
Warren Street (Victoria, Northern - 8 mins)

Nearest Train Stations

London Euston (11 mins)
Marylebone (20 mins)
Kings Cross St Pancras Int. (25 mins)

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Mark Hedges, Trustee Director, Nationwide Pension Fund

Mark Hedges

Trustee Director
Nationwide Pension Fund

Mark is a Trustee and former Chief Investment Officer of the Nationwide Pension Fund, where he had responsibility for the performance and implementation of the asset allocation strategies agreed with the fund investment advisors.

Previously, he led the establishment of Nationwide’s Covered Bond programme and its Silverstone RMBS Master Trust funding vehicle. In addition, Mark has securitised UK Student Loans and a synthetic corporate bond structure along with structured transaction and investment in various ABS instruments. Past experience also includes leading the origination and structuring of social housing, PFI and commercial real estate debt transactions.

Chris Pond, Chair, Financial Inclusion Commission

Chris Pond

Chair
Financial Inclusion Commission

Chris is a former Pensions Minister, who now serves as Chair of the Financial Inclusion Commission, of the Lending Standards Board, of the Equity Release Council Standards Board and of The Money Charity. He is an Independent Director of the Current Account Switch Service (Pay.UK) and of Cape Claims Services, and is a trustee of GambleAware and the Money and Mental Health Policy Institute.

Chris is a member of the Treasury FinTech Delivery Panel. He has been Chief Executive of two national charities and chair or trustee of many others and was formerly Director of Financial Capability and Head of Consumer Affairs of the Financial Services Authority.

Toby Nangle, Economic & Financial Markets Analyst

Toby Nangle

Independent Economic & Finance Markets Commentator

Toby Nangle is an Independent Economic and Financial Markets Commentator. He spent 25 years in the asset management industry, most recently as Global Head of Asset Allocation at Columbia Threadneedle, where he led an award-winning asset allocation investment team of 26 professionals, based across four time-zones, managing c$160bn AuM for a range of institutional and retail clients. 

Sofia Perkonigg

Trustee Director
UBS Pension Fund

Sofia graduated with a Master in Finance & Banking from Strasbourg Business School, and a Master in Management Research from the University of Strasbourg. 

She holds the Investment Management Certificate delivered by the UK CFA Society. 

Mark Thompson, Chair of the Trustee Board M&G Pension Scheme

Mark Thompson

Chair of the Trustee Board
M&G Pension Scheme

In addition to his role at M&G, Mark is a Member of the Independent Governance Committee at Zurich Insurance; Executive Chairman of the UBS (UK) Pension & Life Assurance Scheme Investment Committee; and a Member of the Investment & Funding and DC Committees at Lloyds Banking Group Pensions. He was previously the Chief Investment Officer of HSBC Bank Pension Trust (UK) Limited, who he joined in 2011.

Prior to this, he held a number of senior investment roles at Prudential/M&G. These included UK Equity Fund Manager, Head of Equity Research, Director of Collective Investments, and Investment & Strategy Director for Prudential Europe. 

Shalin Bhagwan, the Chief Actuary of the Pension Protection Fund.

Shalin Bhagwan

Head of Pensions Advisory & EMEA Consultants
DWS Investments

Shalin joined DWS in 2018 and leads the UK Pensions business. His asset management experience includes the management of liability driven investment strategies for pension funds and insurers across fixed income, derivatives as well as listed and private credit. He has managed these strategies for asset owners in the UK, USA and South Africa and has 30 years of experience in pensions and asset management.

Prior to DWS, he worked for Legal & General Investment Management, AXA Investment Managers, FirstRand Bank, Mercer and Aon. Shalin is a Fellow of the Faculty of Actuaries and holds an Honours Degree in Statistics and Actuarial Science from the University of Cape Town. He is also an advisory board member for the City of London’s Taskforce on Socio-Economic Diversity.

Fiona Frobisher

Head of Policy
The Pensions Regulator

Fiona is the Head of Policy at TPR, leading on changes to how TPR regulates areas such as value for money in DC schemes, funding for DB schemes and standards for trustees. She has more than 20 years’ experience in developing private pension standards and leading regulatory change. She is passionate about delivering pragmatic solutions which both protect members and work for those implementing them. 

Fiona has recently returned from a loan as a Deputy Director at the DWP, where she led on the government response to effect of gilt rises on pension schemes, and way to ensure that pensions schemes including defined benefit schemes invest more productively. 

John Hamilton

Chair of Trustees
Stagecoach Group Pensions Scheme

John has a wide range of pension experience, including having been involved in looking after the Stagecoach Group Pension Scheme in various roles for nearly 25 years, in which he is currently serving as Chair of Trustees.

He was also a long-serving Trustee of the multi-employer Railway Pension Scheme from 2009 to 2020. He was instrumental in initiating changes in the 2021 regulations, acknowledging the different funding treatment possible for open schemes, and is known for independent and challenging thinking. 

A member of the Institute of Chartered Accountants (Scotland) Tax Board, his early training was as an international tax adviser.

Over his corporate career, he has benefited from extensive experiences in business appraisal and valuations for corporate acquisitions and disposals, and this has influenced his approach to pension scheme investment. He is passionate about delivering fair pension outcomes, and a believer in the virtuous cycle created by pension scheme investment in driving growth to pay pensions. 

Russell Lee

Head of Investment Solutions
M&G Investments

Russell joined M&G Investments in 2019 to head the Global Insurance Solutions team. The team brings together expertise from across the firm to meet the complex requirements of insurance clients. 

Immediately prior to joining M&G, Russell worked at Legal & General, where he spent four years in the retirement division executing large bulk annuity transactions and developing new products. He worked closely with the internal manager on cash-flow matching strategies, holistic portfolio management, and incorporating illiquid assets into portfolios. 

He has a broad background in insurance and pension consulting, investing private capital, portfolio restructuring, corporate banking and quantitative finance. Russell holds a Doctorate from Queen’s University Belfast in Theoretical Physics. 

Guido Giese

Global Head of ESG & Climate Solution Research
MSCI

Guido is MSCI’s Global Head of ESG & Climate Solutions Research, where he leads applied research and thought leadership on ESG integration, impact investing and climate investing. Recent publications include Climate Masters: Net-Zero Alignment: Objectives and Strategic Approaches, How Have Stocks Responded to Changes in Climate Policy and What’s in an ESG Rating and What’s Not

Prior to joining MSCI in 2017, Guido was responsible for the sustainability index solutions business at RobecoSAM, following his tenure as Head of Research & Development at index provider STOXX Ltd, where he was responsible for developing new index solutions. He has more than 20 years’ experience in research and product development in the asset management industry. 

Guido holds a PhD in Applied Mathematics from the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology, Zurich and has authored numerous articles in international journals for quantitative finance and risk management.

Morten Nilsson

Chief Executive Officer
Brightwell

Morten joined Brightwell in 2018, and is responsible for leading all aspects of the business in its support of its clients and the workforce. 

He has spent most of his career in financial services, as he joined the pensions and investments industry in 2001 and spent over 10 years with the £90bn Danish pension scheme ATP, where he held different senior positions across administration, investments, product and business development. 

In 2010, Morten moved to London, where he founded NOW: Pensions, and as CEO, grew the business to become one of the largest defined contribution providers in the UK. 

Steve Hodder

Partner
LCP

Steve helps large institutional investors deliver better returns. He is an experienced negotiator of pension scheme funding strategies, advising both corporate sponsors and scheme trustees. 

Steve has been leading LCP’s proposals to reform how DB Pension schemes are managed, working with Government, TPR and industry bodies. He believes a new “opt-in” system with 100% PPF cover and ability to use ongoing scheme surpluses would transform outcomes for DB members, DC savers and companies sponsoring DB schemes. 

Joshua Tipper

Associate Partner
AON

Josh is an Associate Partner within AON’s investment business, having joined in 2016. He focuses on providing strategic advice to both corporates and trustees on managing their pension scheme risks, as well as providing strategic and implementation advice to sovereign wealth funds. 

Josh advises a number of pension schemes ranging from £100m to over £5bn in assets, including Aon’s investment proposition for alternative endgames. 

Josh is a CFA Charterholder, and graduated with a Master of Mathematics from Durham University. 

Adrian Furnell

Secretary to the Trustees
Uniper Energy

Adrian specialises in employee benefits with particular emphasis on pensions and extensive experience from the perspective of employer, trustee and scheme member. He is proactive in maintaining technical knowledge, and can ac as scheme secretary, managing providers, undertaking reviews and providing strategic development and delivery. Adrian sees today’s challenges as an opportunity for dynamic enterprise, seeking out innovative, creative solutions to drive continuous improvement alongside value for money, to meet the needs and expectations of all stakeholders.

For the majority of his working career, he has been responsible for the management of occupational pensions schemes, both DB and DC, both from the company and trustee aspects, but also bearing in mind it is the members that are the end recipients and that an employer has a major / strong interest. Adrian also has to have an appreciation of wider employment law, insurance and overall benefit issues e.g. share schemes.

His roles have included pension strategy and also ensuring that the same strategy and provision met all Trust Deed rules and relevant legislation. Adrian has also had responsibility for defining, managing and developing the pensions management function in line with changes in pensions and related legislation together with changes in the marketplace as well as employer requirements. 

Whilst at the AA/Saga, Adrian had overall ownership of the provision of services to three Trustee Boards. Furthermore, he provided the HR leadership team with advice on strategic pension issues including sales and acquisitions both UK and European as well as TUPE issues. In addition, Adrian has been heavily involved in an SPV project.

Edi Truell

Founder
The Pension Superfund

Edmund Truell, also known as Edi, possesses over 30 years of financial services experience in private equity and debt markets. He served as a Director of Hambros Bank in 1991, Chief Executive of Hambro European Ventures in 1994 and subsequently led the 1998 buyout and formation of Duke Street Capital, later spearheading the formation of Duke Street Capital Debt Management in 2000.

In 2006, Edi co-founded Pension Insurance Corporation, a leading insurer of defined benefit pension funds, where he managed £4 billion in assets and led the largest ever UK corporate pension insurance buyout.

Edi has co-founded Pension SuperFund, the UK’s first consolidating pension ‘superfund’, offering a safe and affordable way for British businesses to keep their pension promises to their employees. In 2010, Edi co-founded Disruptive Capital, a leading London-based private equity firm with an impressive track record in sourcing and managing opportunistic investments. In October 2021, as Managing Partner of Disruptive Capital Acquisition Company he successfully reopened the SPAC market with a £125m listing on the Amsterdam Stock Exchange.

He is Co-Founder and Trustee of the Truell Conservation Foundation, and a former Trustee of both the Charles Darwin Foundation and the Galapagos Conservation Trust. He also sits on the Smithsonian Council of Philatelists. He is a qualified as Chartered Financial Advisor and holds a BSc in Economics & Finance from Durham University.

Matt Wilmington

Chief Transactions Officer
Clara Pensions

Matt is an actuary, who has spent much of the past 15 years working with pension schemes and insurers in the world of de-risking.

Starting life as a pensions consultant at Aon, he advised trustees and sponsors on many of the market’s early buy-ins, buyouts and longevity swaps. Gamekeeper turned poacher, Matt moved insurer side, initially at Legal & General and then Scottish Widows, with the responsibility 0f structuring and executing a wide range of pension derisking solutions. 

Matt has recently joined Clara Pensions as Chief Transactions Officer, where he is responsible for Clara’s new business activity, and when the time is right, the de-risking of the sections of the Clara Pension Trust. 

Sammy Cooper-Smith

Head of Business Development
Rothesay

Sammy Cooper-Smith joined Rothesay in 2011, and as Head of Business Development, is responsible for new business origination and marketing to defined benefit pension schemes and insurance companies. 

At Rothesay, Sammy has played a lead role in transactions with the pension funds of National Grid, telent, Asda and Allied Domecq among others, as well as the reinsurance of the Prudential, Zurich Alliance, and Aegon annuity portfolios. 

Prior to joining Rothesay, Sammy was at Paternoster, which Rothesay acquired in 2011. He started his career at Prudential.

Andrew Krousti

Head of Pensions
Capgemini

Andrew has spent nearly 25 years working in pensions and is APMI qualified. He considers pensions to be all about engaging with people to improve their future financial security. He has managed many types of pension arrangements for very different organisations with unique attributes. 

Andrew’s work has included: 

  • Innovative pension solutions – with focus on digitisation, simplification and effective communication 
  • DB schemes – closures, de-risking liabilities, long term objectives, endgame, s75 debt, New Fair Deal 
  • DC arrangements – auto re-enrolment, pension freedoms, investment changes, Master Trusts, aim for better outcomes 
  • HR Teams – Reward matters, group risk benefits, annual pay reviews, impact on high earners of Annual & Lifetime Allowance changes 

William McGrath

Chief Executive
C-SUITE PENSION STRATEGIES

William McGrath has a City background and was an executive director of Plcs for 25 years, latterly serving as CEO of Aga Rangemaster, a group which set an innovative long-term framework for its DB scheme back in 2015. It has worked very well in practice. 

He founded C-Suite Pension Strategies to encourage corporate engagement in DB pensions, and for schemes to “Run On 4 Good” on all stakeholders’ interests. 

Ian McKinlay, Senior Adviser, Avida International

Ian McKinlay

Expert Pensions CIO

Ian is a highly experienced pensions investment executive. Most recently, he has been the Chief Investment Officer at Lloyds Banking Group Pensions, overseeing some £40 billion of assets across both DB and DC sections. He joined Lloyds from Aviva, where he carried out a similar role. Prior to that, he was the CIO of the Pension Protection Fund. Ian is also a member of the actuarial profession’s Finance and Investment Board, while also being Chairman of EPFIF’s Pension Fund Investment Advisory Committee.

Stephanie Nuttall, Head of Pension Scheme Executive, M&G plc

Stephanie Nuttall

Head of Pension Scheme Executive
M&G plc

Steph took up the role of Head of Pension Scheme Executive for M&G in July 2024, assuming responsibility for the company’s three staff pension schemes.

She previously spent 19 years at Lloyds Banking Group in a number of pensions roles, ultimately taking responsibility for all member facing activity and strategic change as Head of Pensions Operations. Working on the Lloyds schemes provided the opportunity for Steph to build a broad experience, including the challenge of GMP equalisation through the court case and subsequent implementation. 

Steph’s primary focus is on the member experience within pension schemes, which she views as becoming ever more critical with the shift to DC pensions and the need for members to understand their retirement savings and options. 

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Partner

Shelley Fryer
Associate Partner

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Our global network of investment professionals connect world-class research capabilities with the diverse experiences and views of experts across multiple asset classes. We call this Intelligence Connected

We’ve been putting our clients at the centre of everything we do for over 90 years. And after launching Europe’s first-ever mutual fund back in 1931, we’re now recognised for our expertise in fixed income, private markets, multi-asset solutions and equities, including our growing range of sustainability-driven thematic equity products. 

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CONTACT

Russell Lee
Head of Insurance Solutions

Gurbani Swanni-Leach
Head of Endgame Solutions

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