Re-imagining Security, Surplus & Long-Term Capital
EVENT OVERVIEW
Corporate DB pensions have been characterised by two decades of de-risking, driven by accounting reforms like FRS 17 and FRS 102, which mandated both the reporting of pensions liabilities on company balance sheets and discounting at low yields, all exacerbated by the financial markets crisis, which resulted in 11 years of QE, rock bottom rates and severe pension deficits.
Now, with rates much higher and many schemes exhibiting significant surpluses, the narrative has flipped. The Government is promoting growth and productive investment, while schemes grapple with a regulatory framework still routed in deficit recovery. The 2025 Pension Schemes Bill and a new DB Funding Code mark a complex crossroads.
The conference will explore the key strategic choices now facing scheme sponsors. trustees, providers, advisers and members – from buyout and run-on to surplus extraction, consolidation, and even reopening – through open, lively discussion designed to challenge, inform and inspire.
EVENT INFO
VENUE
This event will be held at Trinity House in London.
Attendance to the event is FREE for pension funds, employers, government representatives.
There is a modest fee for asset managers and consultants. You can contact us if you have any queries.
CPD
This event qualifies for 6 hours and 30 minutes of CPD credit. You can request for CPD credit for the event when you register.
AGENDA
09:00 - 09:15
Registration & Welcome
Networking Activity | Foyer
Devil’s Advocates Panel
Our morning Devil’s Advocates will challenge speakers with incisive questions throughout the sessions and present their key reflections and takeaways just before lunch.
Claire McCormick
Trustee
Yorkshire & Clydesdale Bank DB Scheme
Claire is an employer-nominated trustee for the Bank’s DB scheme, now closed to future accrual but very actively managed and exploring future options for the Scheme.
She has been a member of the Trustee Board and Investment subcommittee for circa 4 years, having previously had experience on the open DC scheme where she set up and chaired an audit and risk sub-committee.
A biochemist by training, she is particularly interested in exploring the rigor and methodology of some ESG claims.
As a Chartered Accountant and Chartered Tax Adviser, she has a “day job” as Head of Tax for Virgin Money, so is very much a lay trustee who sees part of her role as posing the key questions and considering the effectiveness of communications to members.
Claire is currently based in Norwich and outside of work runs quite long distances in all weathers, reasonably quickly.
Mitesh Sheth
Founder
OrgAlpha
Mitesh is an actuary, investment executive and board-level leader with experience of building successful teams, scaling businesses and developing innovative solutions. Recognised with an MBE for his leadership in industry-wide diversity and inclusion efforts, he brings a unique blend of compassionate leadership, creative problem-solving, commercial acumen, and strategic thinking.
He has recently founded OrgAlpha, a boutique consultancy, helping forward-thinking CEOs, founders and Boards to align the potential within their people and technology, to solve problems that really matter.
Professionally, Mitesh has held a number of leadership positions, including CEO of Redington, Chief Investment Officer for Multi-Asset at Newton Investment Management and Head of Fixed Income at Henderson Global Investors.
Personally, he has many interests including acting and he will performing in his eldest daughter’s five-star rated play ‘the Expulsion of Exulansis’ at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival this summer, to raise awareness for teenage mental health.
09:15 - 09:35
Welcome & Introduction
Opening Remarks

Programme Director:
Stephen Glover
Founder & Chief Executive
SG Pensions Enterprise
Mark Hedges
Trustee Director
Nationwide Pension Fund
Mark is a Trustee and former Chief Investment Officer of the Nationwide Pension Fund, where he had responsibility for the performance and implementation of the asset allocation strategies agreed with the fund investment advisors.
Previously, he led the establishment of Nationwide’s Covered Bond programme and its Silverstone RMBS Master Trust funding vehicle. In addition, Mark has securitised UK Student Loans and a synthetic corporate bond structure along with structured transaction and investment in various ABS instruments. Past experience also includes leading the origination and structuring of social housing, PFI and commercial real estate debt transactions.
09:35 - 10:00
The New DB Endgame Landscape – Choices, Opportunities & Market Realities
Opening Keynote Presentation
This opening presentation explores how evolving government policy, regulation and market conditions are reshaping DB endgame strategies, helping schemes balance member security, long-term value and investment outcomes across an expanding range of options.
The New DB Endgame Landscape – Choices, Opportunities & Market Realities
Opening Keynote Presentation
Session Description
The DB endgame landscape is changing rapidly.
Rising funding levels, evolving government policy, regulatory developments and intensifying market competition are expanding the range of strategic options available to pension schemes. Buyout remains a compelling destination for many, but run-on, surplus utilisation, consolidation and alternative risk-transfer strategies are reshaping the debate.
Our speaker will provide an authoritative overview of the forces transforming endgame decision-making. He will examine how market conditions, insurer pricing, credit spreads, longevity risk transfer and emerging consolidation solutions are influencing the relative attractiveness of different pathways.
Drawing together strategic, regulatory and commercial perspectives, he will assess how trustees and sponsors can navigate an increasingly diverse set of options while balancing member security, value creation and long-term objectives.
This session will set the scene for the discussions that follow by exploring how policy, regulation and market dynamics are redefining the future shape of the UK DB system.
Speakers in this Session

Shalin Bhagwan
Managing Director
BlackRock
Shalin Bhagwan
Managing Director
BlackRock
Shalin Bhagwan leads the team responsible for BlackRock’s relationships with UK OCIO and corporate-sponsored defined benefit pension fund clients.
His institutional investment experience spans pensions and insurance, including managing LDI strategies for UK, US and South African pension funds and insurers, helping establish private credit and infrastructure debt co-investment strategies, and most recently serving as Chief Actuary of the Pension Protection Fund.
Shalin is an actuarial and investment adviser to the Financial Reporting Council and has served on the Institute and Faculty of Actuaries’ Finance and Investment Board. He is also a member of the SGPE Pensions Advisory Board, and a Fellow of the Institute and Faculty of Actuaries.
About BlackRock
BlackRock’s purpose is to help more and more people experience financial well-being.
As a fiduciary to investors and a leading provider of financial technology, we help millions of people build savings that serve them throughout their lives by making investing easier and more affordable.
For more details, please visit BlackRock’s website here.
Contact
10:00 - 10:40
Regulation, Surplus & the Balance between Security & Ambition
Panel Discussion
This panel explores how forthcoming DB policy and regulatory reforms on surplus, consolidation and long-term investment could influence endgame decisions while ensuring member security remains the overriding priority.

Sponsored by Rothesay
Regulation, Surplus & the Balance Between Security & Ambition
Panel Discussion
Session Description
The panel will examine how the government’s evolving policy agenda and forthcoming regulations on surplus, consolidation and long-term investment will shape the choices available to key DB decision-makers.
Panellists will explore how these developments interact with the primary obligation of DB providers to meet the pension promises they have guaranteed, and how schemes can assess whether and how elements of the government’s growth ambitions can be supported without compromising member security.
With detailed frameworks on superfunds, surplus extraction and FAAs due in Q1 of 2027, the session offers an opportunity for industry voices to test whether policy proposals align with the practical realities facing schemes, the risk considerations they must manage, and the long-term outcomes they are required to deliver.
Speakers in this Session

Moderator:
Charlotte Moore
Freelance Journalist
Independent
Sammy Cooper-Smith
Head of Business Development
Rothesay
Sammy joined Rothesay in 2011, and as Head of Business Development, is responsible for new business origination and marketing to defined benefit pension schemes and insurance companies.
At Rothesay, Sammy has played a lead role in transactions with the pension funds of National Grid, telent, Asda and Allied Domecq among others, as well as the reinsurance of the Prudential, Zurich Alliance and Aegon annuity portfolios.
Prior to joining Rothesay, Sammy was at Paternoster, which Rothesay acquired in 2011. His career originated at Prudential.
Alastair Greenlees
Head of UK Investment Management
Van Lanschot Kempen
Al Greenlees, CFA, leads the UK investment strategy function, working with institutional clients on strategic and tactical asset allocation, liability hedging, alternative investments and fiduciary management solutions.
Before joining Van Lanschot Kempen, Al held senior investment advisory roles at Willis Towers Watson and has extensive experience advising UK pension schemes and other institutional investors.
Victoria Mance
Client Director
Vidett Trustee Services
Victoria is an accredited professional pension trustee, and a qualified solicitor with 22 years’ experience in the pensions world.
She currently sits on the boards of five pension schemes, ranging in size from £3 million to over a billion and which include a large water industry scheme, and schemes with a public sector sponsor. At Vidett, Victoria sits on the sole trustee oversight committee which operates in relation to material decisions affecting sole trustee clients.
Before becoming a professional pension trustee, Victoria spent over 20 years as a pensions lawyer in private practice at leading international law firms – and spent time on secondment to the Pensions Regulator, Department for Work and Pensions, and more recently the Pension Protection Fund. As a legal adviser she advised employers, trustees, providers / insurers, trustee companies and public sector bodies, and spent time as a TPAS volunteer. She has experience of all types of pension provision, including contract based schemes, DB, DC, CARE and Cash Balance, DB endgame planning, scheme mergers and closures, changes to employee benefit provision, and acting for all sides on buy-in negotiations including providers. She brings this experience into her trustee work where she knows the questions to ask of scheme advisers / providers to facilitate informed trustee decision making.
Outside of work, Victoria recently reached the end of her term as a governor at the local primary school; she helps with her young daughters’ Guide groups, and plays the piano at her local church.
William McGrath
Chief Executive
C-Suite Pension Strategies
Will McGrath has a city background and was an executive director of Plcs for 25 years, latterly serving as Chief Executive of Aga Rangemaster, a group which set an innovative long-term framework for its DB scheme back in 2015. It has worked very well in practice.
Will founded C-Suite Pension Strategies, to encourage corporate engagement in DB pensions, and for schemes to “Run On 4 Good” on all stakeholders’ interests.
About Van Lanschot Kempen
At Van Lanschot Kempen Investment Management, we are specialists in fiduciary management.
We work with pension schemes, insurers, family offices, charities and high net worth individuals to help them execute their long-term strategies efficiently and target better outcomes for their members.
We have built our business around our clients and today VLK has over £60 billion in fiduciary management portfolios.
Our fiduciary management clients benefit from a highly customised investment solution that matches their requirements.
At VLK, we have a “no-client-is-the-same” motto, and we design clear and effective portfolio solutions tailored to the circumstances and needs of each client.
For more details, please visit VLK’s website here.
Contact
10:40 - 11:05
Networking Break
Networking Activity | Foyer
11:05 - 11:30
The Psychology of Board Decision Making in the New DB Landscape
Presentation
This presentation session explores how cognitive biases, risk appetite and organisational culture shape trustee and sponsor decision-making, highlighting the governance, mindset and skills needed to navigate new DB endgame opportunities with confidence.
The Psychology of Board Decision Making in the DB Landscape
Presentation
Session Description
Following two decades in which de-risking was the predominant strategy for DB pension schemes, trustee and corporate boards are navigating a radically different environment. Improved funding positions, growing scheme surpluses and an expanding range of endgame options have created strategic opportunities unthinkable just a few years ago.
Drawing on extensive research into organisational behaviour, Professor Furnham will explore how boards respond when long-held assumptions are challenged and familiar paths are no longer the only option.
Why do some decision makers hold fast to established strategies while others embrace change?
How do boards balance security against opportunity, and why can greater choice sometimes lead to caution, drift or decision paralysis?
Our speaker will consider the effect of cognitive biases, risk aversion, peer pressure and organisational culture on board decisions, as well as the differing perspectives of trustees and sponsors as they assess risk, reward and the potential uses of surplus. He will also examine what enables some boards to adapt successfully to a new paradigm, make timely decisions and develop the mindset, governance and skills needed to navigate an increasingly complex future.
Speakers in this Session

Adrian Furnham
Professor of Psychology
Norwegian Business School
Adrian Furnham
Professor of Psychology
Norwegian Business School
Adrian Furnham was educated at the London School of Economics where he obtained a distinction in an MSc Econ., and at Oxford University where he completed a doctorate (D.Phil) in 1981. He has subsequently earned a D.Sc(1991) and D.Litt (1995) degree.
Previously a lecturer in Psychology at Pembroke College, Oxford, he was Professor of Psychology at University College London from 1992 to 2018. He has lectured widely abroad and held scholarships and visiting professorships at, amongst others, the University of New South Wales, the University of the West Indies, the University of Hong Kong and the University of KwaZulu-Natal. He has also been a Visiting Professor of Management at Henley Management College. He has also been made Adjunct Professor of Management at the Norwegian Business School(2009) and Honorary Professor at the University of KwaZulu-Natal (2014). He is currently the Principal Psychologist at Stamford Associates.
He consults to many organisations in various different sectors (particularly airlines, banks, civil service) and in many different countries (particularly continental Europe and Asia). He is also an experienced conference speaker doing around a dozen key-note speeches a year all around the world
He has written over 1500 scientific papers and 99 books. He is on the editorial board of a number of international journals, as well as the past elected President of the International Society for the Study of Individual Differences. He is also a founder director of Applied Behavioural Research Associates (ABRA), a psychological consultancy established over 30 years ago.
11:30 - 12:10
Trustee & Sponsor Decision Making, Skills & Re-Risking in a New Paradigm
Panel Discussion

Moderator:
Mike Weston
Professional Trustee
Pi Partnership
This panel explores how trustees are adapting investment and risk strategies to a new DB landscape, balancing greater endgame flexibility, stronger member protections and evolving governance requirements.
Trustee Decision Making, Skills & Re-Risking in a New Paradigm
Panel Discussion
Session Description
This panel explores how trustees and corporate sponsors are navigating a fundamentally changed environment in which rising surpluses, expanded endgame options and strengthened member protections are reshaping investment and risk decisions after 25 years of de-risking. Speakers will explore how trustees and sponsors interpret strengthened PPF protection, now broadly understood as 80-95p in the pound rather than the historic 75p, and how this shift influences their willingness to re-risk.
Panellists will discuss emerging solutions such as covenant transfer, and how trustees compare endgame options through a corporate-finance lens that weighs value, risk, and long-term flexibility. Speakers will identify the skills, information, and governance structures trustees need to make confident, well-supported decisions in this new paradigm.
Speakers in this Session

Panellists TBC
Bobby Riddaway
Managing Director
HS Trustees
Bobby is a Senior Pensions Director, who has over 25 years of experience, advising both trustees and employers of Occupational Defined Benefit (DB) and Defined Contribution (DC) schemes.
Bobby is a qualified Actuary and a council member of AIMSE. His is a former Chair of the Association of Consulting Actuaries Investment Sub-Committee and has also served on the Finance and Investment Board of the Institute of Actuaries.
He is a past winner of the MallowStreet Most Influential Investment Advisor Award, and has also won the industry Battle of the Bands twice, as a Bass player.
Bobby is also a regular speaker on pensions issues at various conferences, and has participated as a judge for a number of industry awards. He has held leadership roles in areas including ESG, professional standards and governance, asset liability modelling and liability driven investment.
David Farmer
Chair of Trustees
Independent Governance Group
David Farmer is a Trustee Director and Head of Strategic Pension Solutions at Independent Governance Group (IGG).
An accredited professional trustee, solicitor and barrister with almost 30 years’ pensions experience, David chairs and advises a range of defined benefit pension schemes with assets from £15 million to over £5 billion. He specialises in funding strategy, surplus management, risk transfer and endgame planning, helping trustees and sponsors navigate the changing DB landscape and deliver secure long-term outcomes for members.
John Hamilton
Chair of Trustees
Stagecoach Group Pension Scheme
John has a wide range of pension experience, including having been involved in looking after the Stagecoach Group Pension Scheme in various roles for nearly 25 years, in which he is currently serving as Chair of Trustees.
He was also a long-serving Trustee of the multi-employer Railway Pension Scheme from 2009 to 2020. He was instrumental in initiating changes in the 2021 regulations, acknowledging the different funding treatment possible for open schemes, and is known for independent and challenging thinking.
A member of the Institute of Chartered Accountants (Scotland) Tax Board, his early training was as an international tax adviser.
Over his corporate career, he has benefited from extensive experiences in business appraisal and valuations for corporate acquisitions and disposals, and this has influenced his approach to pension scheme investment. He is passionate about delivering fair pension outcomes, and a believer in the virtuous cycle created by pension scheme investment in driving growth to pay pensions.
Sorca Kelly-Scholte
Partner
Falcon Trustees
Sorca is an accredited professional trustee, actuary and pensions investment professional with 30 years’ experience in advisory, asset management and OCIO roles.
She currently sits on the Investment Committee for the Church of England Pensions Board, and on the Investment Committee for the Endowment Fund of Trinity College Dublin.
Sorca has also served as a Trustee and Investment Committee member of the J.P. Morgan UK Pension Plan, a multi-billion DC scheme representing over 40,000 members.
Sorca has advised and managed pension schemes across the UK and Europe, encompassing DB, DC and CDC structures. Her work has covered journey planning and endgame management, cashflow and liquidity planning, as well as default design and choice architecture in DC.
Most recently, Sorca oversaw strategy and risk governance for more than £150 billion in OCIO assets at BlackRock.
Sorca has also served as a member of the PLSA (now Pensions UK) Policy Board, contributing to research and policy development for the pensions industry, and is Chair Designate for Action West London, a social mobility charity.
Susan McIlvogue
Head of Large DB Scheme Solutions
Hymans Robertson
Susan is a partner and actuary at Hymans Robertson, with over 30 years’ experience in the pensions industry.
Before joining Hymans Robertson in 2014, she spent 19 years at Mercer. Susan has worked with a broad range of trustees and sponsoring employers, providing strategic advice to schemes of all sizes, including a number with assets in excess of £1bn.
Susan has supported trustee boards and companies through complex funding negotiations, engagement with The Pensions Regulator, scheme mergers, corporate transactions, benefit changes and extensive legislative change. She brings a strong strategic perspective alongside a practical focus on effective governance and high‑quality outcomes.
Within Hymans Robertson, Susan’s current focus is leading the firm’s go‑to‑market strategy for large defined benefit schemes, recognising the distinct opportunities and challenges these schemes face. As part of this role, she has established a Large DB Scheme Community of senior trustee and corporate stakeholders from over 45 large DB schemes.
Susan led Hymans Robertson’s actuarial business from April 2019 until June 2024, with responsibility for strategy and delivery. Prior to this, she led the firm’s market‑facing strategy for trustee services across actuarial, investment and administration.
She has also been a non-executive on Hymans Robertson’s Partnership Council, overseeing the firm’s governance and values, and is currently a trustee for the Hymans Robertson Foundation.
Susan lives in Glasgow with her husband and two children, where she enjoys the occasional run but mainly spends her time supporting her children’s various clubs and interests!
12:10 - 12:40
Navigating the Space Between Buyout and Run-On
Case Study Presentation

Matthew Course
Head of Research
IC Select

Peter Dorward
Managing Director
IC Select
This sponsored case study examines how a DB scheme selected M&G’s CDI+ solution, balancing liability matching and cashflow certainty with the potential for future surplus participation through an alternative to full buyout or traditional run-on.
Navigating the Space Between Buyout and Run-On
Case Study
Session Description
This practical case study examines how a DB scheme arrived at an endgame solution designed to provide a balance between preserving optionality with the opportunity for future value creation.
Faced with a growing range of endgame choices, trustees and sponsor evaluated the relative merits of immediate buyout, run-on and alternative approaches before selecting M&G’s CDI+ solution.
The discussion will explore the objectives the scheme was seeking to achieve, the factors that proved most influential in the decision-making process, and how the chosen approach balances liability matching and cashflow certainty with the potential for maximizing value for members.
Delegates will gain practical insights into the governance, investment and stakeholder considerations involved in selecting an endgame destination that sits between a fully insured outcome and a traditional run-on strategy.
Speakers in this Session

Russell Lee
Head of Insurance Solutions
M&G Investments

Gurbani Swanni-Leach
Head of UK Pensions Solutions
M&G Investments
Russell Lee
Head of Insurance Solutions
M&G Investments
Russell joined M&G Investments in 2019 to head the Global Insurance Solutions team. The team brings together expertise from across the firm to meet the complex requirements of insurance clients.
Immediately prior to joining M&G, Russell worked at Legal & General, where he spent four years in the retirement division, executing large bulk annuity transactins and developing new products. He worked closely with the internal manager on cash-flow matching strategies, holistic portfolio maangement, and incorporating illiquid assets into portfolios.
Russell has a broad background in insurance and pension consulting, investing private capital, portfolio restructuring, corporate banking and quantitative finance. He holds a Doctorate from Queen’s University Belfast in Theoretical Physics.
Gurbani Swanni-Leach
Head of UK Pension Solutions
M&G Investments
Gurbani has nearly 20 years experience advising UK Institutional clients ranging from £50m to £5bn.
She has experience of advising Scheme Trustees and Sponsors in a wide variety of circumstances – from M&A to liability management exercises on the one side to contingent asset vehicles, investment strategy and portfolio management decisions. She has a vast amount of experience across all aspects of solution design – be it liability management exercises, designing and executing Equity Derivative Overlay Structures, creating hybrid insurance/ asset management solutions for pension schemes.
Over the last few years, she has co-created and launched the Additional Funding Solution and CDI+ Solution to assist DB Schemes in Run-on. She is focused on developing and bringing unique pensions solutions to Pensions Risk Transfer market using M&G’s asset management and insurance expertise.
Prior to joining M&G, she led Investment Strategy across 50+ schemes at TPT (DB Master Trust), and before that, she was a Fiduciary Portfolio Manager & Senior Investment Consultant at River & Mercantile Solutions (Now Schroders).
About M&G Investments
For more details, please visit M&G Investment’s website here.
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12:40 - 12:50
Devil’s Advocates Summary
The Devil’s Advocates will give their summary of the main debating points, conclusions and action points from the morning sessions.
12:50 - 13:40
Lunch
Devil’s Advocates Panel
Throughout the afternoon, our panel of Devil’s Advocates will challenge speakers with thought-provoking questions and close the day by sharing their key insights and takeaways from the discussions.
Sally Bridgeland
Chair
Development Bank of Wales
Sally Bridgeland is an actuary with extensive experience in innovation, risk management and responsible investment across investment management and pensions.
She was CEO of the BP Pension Scheme from 2007-14, after 20 years with Aon Hewitt as a consultant and investment researcher. She has held non-executive roles at the Nuclear Liabilities Fund, Royal London, NEST Corporation, Lloyds Bank pension schemes, and the Local Pensions Partnership Ltd. She is currently Chair of the Development Bank of Wales and of award-winning home care company, BelleVie.
Sally is an Honorary Group Captain in 601 Squadron of the Royal Auxiliary Air Force, introducing diverse ideas to their senior leadership. Sally was also the first woman to be Master of the Worshipful Company of Actuaries in 2016-17, and is currently Renter Warden of the Worshipful Company of Wheelwrights.
Her book on innovation, inclusion and resilience, “Chess Club, Drama Club: Building Creative and Resilient Businesses Together”, was published by Bristol University Press in September 2026.
Deepa Driver
Lecturer
University of Reading
Dr Deepa Govindarajan Driver teaches governance, financial regulation and risk at the Henley Business School, University of Reading.
Her research interests cover governance, risk and accountability; financialization and how financial firms can serve the public interest. Deepa works on issues at the intersection of human rights and finance including accountability for serious (state and corporate) crimes.
Deepa is a member of the National Executive Committee of UCU and member of its legal panel. She has served as the chair of negotiators for the union side representing Scheme members on the Joint Negotiating Committee of the £75bn sector-wide USS pension scheme. She takes a keen interest in demystifying pensions so as to ensure pension funds serve members and the public interest.
Deepa is chair of the board of Finance Watch, Brussels and vice-chair of the Haldane Society of Socialist Lawyers. She has also served as an independent expert advisor to regulators, banks, asset managers and insurers. She has experience of facilitating Board discussions on risk appetite, and the stakeholder implications of strategic choices. Deepa’s career to date includes roles at Citigroup, Lloyds Banking Group, the Financial Services Authority (UK) and in consulting, both in continental Europe and in the UK.
Deepa’s contribution to this event is in a personal capacity.
Nicolas Firzli
Director General
World Pensions Council
Nicolas is founder of the World Pensions® Council, the retirement & savings industry group, co-chair of the G7 Pensions Roundtable held on the sidelines of the G7 Summit, founding-member of the Advisory Council for the Global Infrastructure Facility (GIF), a World Bank and G20–led global initiative, and executive director of the Singapore Economic Forum (SEF).
He has co-developed notions such as ‘SDG–Driven Investment’, ‘Pension Superpowers’, the ‘Age of Geoeconomics’, ‘Employee Capitalism’, and chaired the Pensions and Asset Owners Roundtable at the 2015 UN Climate Change Conference (Paris COP21 Summit/Paris Agreement).
Nicolas is a graduate of Canada’s McGill University (Statistics & Financial Economics), an alumnus of the HEC Paris School of Management (MBA Corporate Strategy & Marketing) and the University of Paris Law School (LL.M. Corporate Law) and has conducted research at the University of Louvain (UCL) Doctoral School of Economics and Management in Waals Brabant (Belgium).
He is a regular contributor to BBC News (Asia), Asharq News with Bloomberg, the Arabian Gulf financial news network, RTÉ, Ireland’s National Television and Radio Broadcaster, and Cairo TV (Qahera News).
He is also active in ecumenical, intercultural dialogue, nonalignment, & the promotion of peaceful, inclusive sustainable development endeavours in Britain, the European Union (EU) and the Greater MENA–APAC continuum.
13:40 - 14:00
Surplus Sharing & Extraction – The New Rules & New Opportunities
Presentation
This presentation explores how evolving surplus extraction and sharing frameworks are reshaping DB endgame strategies, influencing sponsor behaviour and the balance between risk, value and member outcomes.
Surplus Sharing & Extraction – The New Rules & New Opportunities
Presentation
Session Description
This presentation will provide a clear, timely update on the evolving landscape of surplus extraction and surplus sharing, outlining how the updated rules are opening new opportunities for sponsors and reshaping endgame decisions.
Our speaker will explore how surplus-sharing models are influencing the choice between buyout and run-on, why many schemes may need to revisit their agreements in 5 to 10 years, and how rising sponsor appetite for putting risk back in to seek surplus is changing negotiation dynamics. They will also consider the member experience under different surplus frameworks, offering a balanced view of how value, risk and long-term outcomes interact in this new environment.
Speakers in this Session

Steve Hodder
Investment Partner
LCP
Steve Hodder
Investment Partner
LCP
Steve is a passionate advocate that productive run-on strategies can deliver better outcomes for DB members, sponsors and the wider UK.
Over the past 5 years, Steve has led LCP’s proposals to reform DB pensions policy, working closely with the UK Government, regulators and establishing an industry-wide working group of advisors and trustees. His ideas fed directly into the previous Government’s “Mansion House” reforms, and the current Government’s 2025 announcements on new powers and guidance for DB scheme surpluses.
Steve has also advised a number of large schemes, through implementation of pioneering approaches, and is delighted at the growing level of innovation in our industry.
About LCP
Powered by bright and passionate people, we help clients navigate complexity to make the decisions that matter. With market-leading capabilities across pensions and financial services, energy, health and analytics, we create and uncover new possibilities to help shape a more positive future.
The way we work, save, and live, is changing. Through our expert insights and use of cutting-edge technology, we provide tailored advice to create a sustainable financial future for our clients and members. We bring a breadth of knowledge and specialist skills to power our clients’ possibilities by helping them to solve problems and embrace opportunities.
We understand that pension schemes aren’t just about numbers; they are about planning for a secure future. Whether you’re a trustee of a pension scheme, a CFO, a finance director or an HR professional, we tailor our services to meet your unique needs with a straightforward, strategic approach. To guide you towards your endgame is at the heart of our advice and where you are on your journey to achieve that. This means we can craft clear, forward-thinking strategies to help your pension scheme reach its long-term goals. This ensures not just sustainability but success well into the future.
We’re not just a team; we’re a community of experts. From DC and Corporate Consulting to Actuarial insights and Trustee Consulting, we cover all bases. We’re all about joined-up thinking, ensuring that every decision about a pension scheme is interconnected and geared towards achieving the best outcomes for members.
For more details, please visit LCP’s website here.
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14:00 - 14:40
The Market for Illiquids – Divestment, Acquisition & Fair Value
Panel Discussion
This panel examines how the growing market for DB private-asset transactions is creating new opportunities and challenges, exploring evolving approaches to liquidity, pricing and long-term investment across schemes, insurers and intermediaries.

Sponsored by Standard Life
The Market for Illiquids – Divestment, Acquisition & Fair Value
Panel Discussion
Session Description
This panel brings together a manager, a broker, a major DB scheme and a consultant to unpack the rapidly evolving market for private-asset transactions, exploring how £10-15bn of annual DB divestment is reshaping both supply and demand. It examines why DB schemes are not absorbing these illiquid, and how new secondary-market and brokerage models are emerging to bridge the gap.
Panellists will debate approaches to pricing fairness and haircut avoidance, assess the growing role of LTAFs as a vehicle for DB exposure to productive finance, and explore the differing incentives of insurers and DB schemes as each navigates liquidity, valuation discipline, and long-term return objectives.
Speakers in this Session
Stuart Hanson
Chief Commercial Officer
MeltX
Stuart is a Founder and Chief Commercial Officer at MeltX, with 15 years’ experience in the pension and investment industry.
He has held business development roles in both private markets asset management and investment consultancy, with a strong network of the key stakeholders that form the MeltX community. Stuart holds the Investment Management Certificate (IMC) and is a Chartered Alternative Investment Analyst (CAIA).
Justine Lowe
Head of New Business Investment Strategy
Standard Life
Justine is Head of New Business Investment Strategy for Standard Life’s annuity franchise.
She leads the investment strategy underlying Standard Life’s Pension Risk Transfer and Individual Annuity new business, developing capital-efficient, client-focused solutions.
Justine joined Standard Life in 2023, having previously been a Director in Insurance Solutions at Aberdeen.
Ian MacRae
Head of Pensions
Jaguar Land Rover
Ian is the Head of Pensions at Jaguar Land Rover (JLR).
At JLR, Ian is responsible for the Finance & Investment Risk Management of the UK & Overseas pensions arrangements on behalf of JLR. These arrangements include a Global Personal Pension Plan for over 7000 employees, for which he has recently completed an investment review and implemented updated investment options for members.
Ian joined JLR in June 2012. Before joining JLR, Ian worked for a large actuarial, benefits and investments consultancy as an investment consultant.
Simon True
Chief Executive Officer
Clara Pensions
Simon is the Chief Executive Officer of Clara Pensions, the member-first consolidator of defined benefit (DB) pension schemes.
Simon has over 30 years’ experience in the life & pensions industries. Prior to joining Clara in 2022, he was the Group Corporate Development Director and Group Chief Actuary at the FTSE 100 insurer Phoenix Group, where he established the group’s bulk purchase annuity team.
About MeltX
MeltX is the only firm purpose-built to help UK pension funds achieve better outcomes when buying and selling illiquid funds on the secondary market.
As an independent business built in collaboration with pension fund trustees and their advisers, MeltX’s vision is to be the leading online marketplace for LP-led secondaries.
For more details, please visit MeltX’s website here.
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14:40 - 15:20
What Should a Successful DB System Look Like in 10-15 Years?
Roundtable Discussions
This interactive roundtable session explores how the DB endgame should evolve to balance member security, productive investment and a wider range of endgame solutions, with delegates developing practical recommendations for the future.
What Should a Successful DB System Look Like in 10-15 Years?
Roundtable discussions
Session Description
After a brief scene-setting introduction from the Facilitator, outlining how the next decade will demand a DB system that balances member security, national growth ambitions, and a more diverse set of endgame pathways, a Moderator at each table will guide a focused discussion.
Delegates will consider the future mix between buyout and run-on, the roles insurers, consolidators and superfunds should play, how productive finance can be embedded without weakening member protection, what investment innovations will be required, and how the system can remain resilient even in the event of an insurer or consolidator failure.
Each table will produce 3 key conclusions.
Speakers in this Session

Ashu Bhargava
Senior Director - Retirement
WTW

Adam Davis
Managing Director
K3 Advisory

James Duggan
Client Director
Vidett

Con Keating
Research Director
Brighton Rock

Andrew Krousti
Head of Pensions
Capgemini

William McGrath
Chief Executive
C-Suite Pension Strategies

Sofia Perkonigg
Trustee Director
UBS Pension Fund

Martine Trouard-Riolle
Professional Trustee
Capital Cranfield Trustees
Dana Grey
Chief Governance, Risk & Legal Officer
Pension Protection Fund
Dana joined the Pension Protection Fund in 2009 and became Head of Legal in 2013.
Before joining us, Dana was a pensions lawyer in private practice at City firms including Mayer Brown and Taylor Wessing.
She established the operations solutions team, responsible for process improvement, pensions technical support, high-profile/complex schemes and panel management. Dana then led the establishment of the Compliance & Ethics function at the PPF, becoming director of Legal, Compliance & Ethics and the organisation’s data protection officer on its completion.
Dana is Chair of the PPF’s Diversity and Inclusion Sponsorship Group. She co-founded the inaugural employee network group for gender and is a co-lead of the PPF’s Race Action Group. Dana is also a Steering Group member for the diversity project. Outside of the PPF, Dana is Chair of Croydon Business Improvement District (BID).
Ashu Bhargava
Managing Director – Retirement
WTW
Ashu Bhargava is a superfund specialist at WTW, with significant experience spanning the development of the UK superfund market and led discussions with trustees and sponsors in relation to the first four (of five) deals with Clara.
Previously the Chief Origination Officer at Clara-Pensions, Ashu played a leading role in bringing superfunds from concept through to transaction, helping shape an alternative route to improving member outcomes.
At WTW, Ashu advises trustees and sponsors on pensions risk management strategies and the range of endgame options available.
Christos Christou
Chief Financial Officer
Pensions Mutual
Christos Christou is the Chief Financial Officer of Pensions Mutual, which is seeking authorisation to provide collective defined contribution (CDC) pensions.
He is a PMI Qualified Professional Trustee and has spent 39 years in finance, including over 30 years in private markets.
He writes on pension policy at Questions Deserving Debate and has submitted papers to the Pensions Commission on private markets governance and on collective provision. His current work examines where defined benefit surplus goes in the endgame, and what the sponsor covenant is actually worth to members once inflation exceeds the indexation cap.
He holds an MBA from Harvard Business School and a First Class degree in Electrical Engineering from Imperial College London, and is a Freeman of the City of London.
Tim Giles
Trustee Director
Independent Governance Group
Tim is a seasoned professional with 35 years’ experience and a comprehensive background in pensions and investment.
He advised some of the largest UK pension schemes and financial institutions; and led Aon’s investment business in the UK and EMEA for many years.
He is now a Trustee Director at Independent Governance Group. He serves as a trustee on a portfolio of schemes with assets ranging from hundreds of millions to billions.
He has a track record of delivering successful and collaborative outcomes even when faced with complex structures, divergent views and difficult situations. His broad experience and expertise bring others into the conversation and challenges narrow thinking.
Fiona Frobisher
Senior Adviser – Regulatory Affairs
Genwood Pensions
Fiona Frobisher (EPMI) is a pensions policy and regulatory specialist, with extensive experience across government, regulation and the pensions industry.
She has held senior roles at The Pensions Regulator and the Department for Work & Pensions, and is now working with Genwood Pensions as it develops its DB Superfund. Her work focuses on regulatory strategy, pensions policy and the evolving market for DB consolidation.
Michael Sher
Executive Adviser
Sherborne CMC
Michael is a senior leader and qualified actuary with over 20 years’ experience of risk and investment oversight and modelling.
He has a keen interest in systemic risks affecting assets and economies, particularly AI, geopolitics, and climate change. A qualified executive coach, he enjoys family time (including with his dog) and reading science fiction.
15:20 - 15:45
Networking Break
Networking Activity | Foyer
15:45 - 16:05
Superfunds & FAAs – The New Spectrum of Solutions
Presentation
This presentation provides a technical update on the evolving superfund and FAA landscape, examining how new regulatory developments could expand DB endgame options and shape future sponsor and trustee decisions.
Superfunds & FAAs – The New Spectrum of Solutions
Presentation
Session Description
This presentation will offer a concise technical update on the expanding superfund and FAA landscape, outlining the progress of the 5-6 superfunds currently seeking authorisation and the implications of TPR’s forthcoming FAA regulations for market structure and deal feasibility.
It will clarify what future transactions are likely to permit, and prohibit, in areas such as covenant release, investment flexibility and pricing mechanics, and assess how these emerging options will likely influence sponsor strategy and long-term member outcomes.
Speakers in this Session
16:05 - 16:45
Risk, Resilience & the £2 Trillion Challenge
Panel Discussion

John Chilman
Director
Pensions UK
This panel explores how DB schemes can balance effective risk management with long-term growth, strengthening resilience while delivering sustainable value and secure member outcomes across evolving endgame strategies.
Risk, Resilience & the £2 Trillion Challenge
Panel Discussion
Session Description
DB schemes can manage risk effectively while still pursuing responsible long-term growth across an increasingly diverse set of endgame pathways. Using TPR valuation bases, the discussion will explore the true scale of the DB system: market-value assets of around £1.3 trillion, discounted liabilities of roughly £1.1 trillion, and total future benefit payments exceeding £2 trillion on an undiscounted basis.
Our panellists will assess how schemes can build resilience across longevity, market, illiquidity and counterparty risks while maintaining long-term value creation. They will also discuss how the PPF’s evolving role, including its potential future use of productive finance vehicles, may contribute to long-term stability.
The session will consider how responsible, above-average growth could enable DB schemes to meet, and potentially exceed, these future benefit targets, ensuring that risk management, regulatory protection and long-term value remain aligned across the UK’s DB landscape.
Speakers in this Session
Mathias Rasmussen
Managing Director – Investment Consulting
Gallagher
Mathias is a Managing Director in Gallagher UK’s investment consulting team, Head of DB Client Delivery and Executive Chair of its Investment Strategy Committee.
He is lead adviser to large institutional investors on all aspects of investment strategy. His experience includes capital-backed journey plans and DB consolidation, and he is closely involved in Gallagher UK’s DB endgame and run-on research.
About Gallagher
Gallagher is one of the UK’s leading pensions consultancies and the Pensions Consultancy of the Year 2026.
We help trustees and sponsors navigate today’s most important pension challenges, from funding, investment and governance to endgame strategy, risk transfer and surplus management. As schemes reassess their long-term options, our integrated team brings together actuarial, investment, administration and member experience specialists to deliver practical advice, innovative thinking and better outcomes.
Whatever your scheme’s objectives, Gallagher provides the expertise and support to help you move forward with confidence.
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About TPT Retirement Solutions
TPT Retirement Solutions is one of the UK’s leading workplace pension providers and consolidators. TPT has 80 years of pensions expertise, giving it a deep understanding of the challenges facing pension schemes, employers, trustees and members.
Today, TPT manages £11.4bn of assets under management and supports around 500,000 pension members, combining significant scale with specialist expertise across defined benefit (DB) and defined contribution (DC) pensions.
TPT has evolved considerably over the past decade, expanding into the wider UK pensions market. Unlike many commercial pension providers, TPT is ultimately owned by a pension fund, with no external shareholders, creating a strong alignment of interests with the schemes, employers and members it serves. This ownership model enables TPT to focus on long-term value and reinvent in its services and propositions.
Building on this heritage and scale, TPT is evolving from a traditional pension provider into a pensions consolidator, developing a broad suite of solutions designed to give employers and trustees greater choice and flexibility. Its six consolidation vehicles span DB Master Trust, DB Multi-Trust, Fiduciary Management, DC Master Trust, Collective Defined Contribution (CDC)* and Superfund.
*Pending regulatory approval.
For more details, please visit TPT’s website here.
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16:45 - 17:15
Who Owns Surplus? The Next Great Debate in UK Pensions
Closing Keynote Presentation
This closing keynote examines the future of DB surplus, exploring the legal, regulatory and ethical questions surrounding how excess assets should be shared between members, sponsors and wider economic growth priorities.
Who Owns Surplus? The Next Great Debate in UK Pensions
Closing Keynote Presentation
Session Description
For twenty years, the central question facing DB schemes was how to eliminate deficit risk. Increasingly, the defining question of the next decade may be who benefits when schemes become substantially overfunded. As surplus grows across the system, long-standing assumptions about ownership, purpose and fiduciary responsibility are being challenged. Should surplus primarily enhance member outcomes? Should sponsors be able to recover capital they funded? Can pension assets legitimately support wider economic growth objectives? And what happens when these objectives come into conflict? Drawing on legal precedent, public policy and the evolving regulatory framework, this keynote will explore the difficult questions that will shape the next phase of DB pensions and challenge delegates to think beyond today’s endgame debates.
SpeakerS in this Session

Alan Pickering
President
BESTrustees
Alan Pickering
President
BESTrustees
Alan Pickering is the President of BESTrustees and a Trustee of a number of pension schemes. These include Clara Pensions and the Mercer Master Trust. He is also Chairman of the Civil Service Pensions Board.
Alan was the inaugural Chairman of the governance group of the Royal Mail Statutory Pension Scheme. He was a Trustee of the Kosovo Pensions Savings Trust between 2011 and 2015. Until February 2013, he chaired the financial literacy charity, Life Academy. He has served as a non-executive director of The Pensions Regulator having previously been a member of the Occupational Pensions Board.
Alan is a past Chairman of the National Association of Pension Funds (NAPF), now known as the Pensions and Lifetime Savings Association (PLSA) and the European Federation for Retirement Provision (EFRP). His Government sponsored report “A Simpler Way to Better Pensions” was published in July 2002.
Alan is an accredited professional trustee with the APPT and was awarded the CBE in 2002. Away from Pensions, Alan is President of his local allotment society, Chairman of Blackheath and Bromley Harriers Athletic Club and was a former Vice President of the Race Horse Owners Association.
17:15 - 17:25
Devil’s Advocates Summary
The Devil’s Advocates will give their summary of the main debating points, conclusions and action points from the afternoon session.
17:25 - 17:30
Chair's Summary
Closing Remarks
The Chair will conclude the day’s proceedings and reflect on the various opinions discussed throughout the day.
17:30 - 19:00
Drinks Reception
Networking Activity | Foyer
Following conclusion of the conference, delegates are invited to stay for drinks and network with fellow members of the industry.
Venue
Trinity House, London
This event will be held at Trinity House in London.
Plan your journey via Transport for London.
Travel & Access
Tube:
Tower Hill (District & Circle) - less than a min. walk
National Rail:
Fenchurch Street - 5 mins walk



